All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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Crusaders play a much more conservative game come finals time. There is a lot of NH aerial ping pong ( esp. against the Chiefs as no team wanted to play anywhere near their 22). SS is a clever kicker by the way. Even in the Aussie test, he mixed it up when he found his mojo in the 2nd half.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop seems to have escaped Foster and Co, as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
Except this time the quarters are the hard game, if we win that I'm very confident we will win the semi. However we will be out in the quarters
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Windows97 the only other loosie with strong ball carrying ability is Akira. I'm so disappointed that we have not managed to harness his talent (for whatever reason). As much as I like Jacobson, he's not a test 6. He didn't play badly per se, but is not able to match the physicality of the big teams so we're always going to be under the pump.
Ironically Finau showed some promise in the 1 opportunity he had but of course he stayed at home so we could take an extra winger to "practice with".
Of course the fact that you need go-forward ball first before it's of any use to pass the ball to your wingers otherwise they simply stand as useless lumps on the sides of the field watching the horror unfold in front of them unable to do anything to stop it as we saw on the weekend.
Still they'll be egg on my face when the AB's unleash attacking moves the likes of which we've never seen before throughout the knock out stages of this RWC thanks to all that additional practice they've been able to have.
Ioane - to Telea!!! Backpass to Barret, triple scissors with Clarke!! They're in again!! Unbelievable - I've never seen play like this from the All Blacks!! That's the final sewn up in an attacking display of rugby that will leave the world speechless for many years to come!!
Oh yes - I'll look back on this post and chuckle to myself - you got one over me Foster, you cunning genius of a man!! Silly me to ever doubt you.
Maybe this is in fact the greatest act of deception since Patton's fake army on D-Day! We'll suddenly see tactical nous, proper kicks, direct forward play and backline moves that aren't telegraphed worse than a punch from a sloth.
A man can dream I guess....
But I still think it's a repeat of 2019. We fark someone up then get strangled to death in the semis.
Except this time the quarters are the hard game, if we win that I'm very confident we will win the semi. However we will be out in the quarters
I can't presume anything with this team
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So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
Italian Rugby has made big strides in recent years. They will have been targeting that game since the draw came. They are a very proud sporting nation. Defeating the All Blacks would be their Everest.
It will be the same referee.
We should take nothing for granted.
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Is anyone watching Winning Time?
The first four episodes of the second season deal with the current NZ situation
The coach's 'system' versus a more free form, 'play what's in front of you' player led game
Different sports but the sentiment is similar
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
Until the knock out rounds...
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First one yes, 2nd one no.
They will have their qtr final and let’s see where we are at….or not as the case may be
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I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
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No Quarterreplied to mariner4life on 29 Aug 2023, 10:36 last edited by No Quarter 29 Aug 2023, 10:37
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
I agree that this year, when the money has been on the line we have come through
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall focused too much on second half. Wouldn't have been saying same at halftime.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
We sat two rows back from him on Friday. Could watch replays on his monitor!
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
We sat two rows back from him on Friday. Could watch replays on his monitor!
did you feel that much more intelligent, being in the presence of such a gun commentator?
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Some interesting spots, in particular on missed neck rolls and high tackles, which ABs didn't milk.
On lineouts there is a clear difference between how ABs form up and how Carley (and other NH refs?) see things:
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@pakman I don't know what armband wearing clown is making those videos, but you'd think if it's going to quote the laws, it would understand them first.
Specifically that you don't have to maintain the gap after the ball is thrown in. See from 6:11
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@pakman An excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
There was a RFU directive to all referees a few years ago about the 1m gap. It’s there in the laws. The All Blacks can expect every English referee to police the 1m gap. It was frankly amazing that the ABs didn’t adapt and let themselves get penalised again and again and again for the same thing.
Two other things from that video:
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It really shows how much pressure the Ab scrum was under. Ouch!
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The referee team missed repeated neck rolls. I hope in future games other refs keep an eye out for that.
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@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32. I guess the argument will be the ABs went beyond the mark of touch.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman An excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
There was a RFU directive to all referees a few years ago about the 1m gap. It’s there in the laws. The All Blacks can expect every English referee to police the 1m gap. It was frankly amazing that the ABs didn’t adapt and let themselves get penalised again and again and again for the same thing.
Two other things from that video:
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It really shows how much pressure the Ab scrum was under. Ouch!
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The referee team missed repeated neck rolls. I hope in future games other refs keep an eye out for that.
Pressure much more pronounced when Barrett off. Starting eight handled themselves pretty well: penalties 2-1, albeit a couple of those could be argued the other way.
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@Stargazer VPN?
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32. I guess the argument will be the ABs went beyond the mark of touch.
But it seems the ABs were arguing the Boks jumper was crossing the mark of touch, which is also a penalty?
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman If there are multiple technical offences at a lineout, you’d expect the ref to penalise the first one he sees.
Depends which eye he has closed.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
But no doubt JB kicks longer than others.
I mean we haven't even given this approach a decent lash.
It's pretty clear most on here hate the defensive dinks and cross kicks. -
BTW at Twickers they didn't let anyone in with a bag bigger than an A4. They mean it. Goes into storage. Pickup queue took 1 1/2 hours to retrieve.
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@mariner4life i still don't think Talea lost that ball. Ironically, that was a knock on but the tap he tried was called back because the ball didn't move forward for the non-try against the Wobs?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
With hindsight, I’m not as bothered by the loss now as I was at the time .
I suspect when everything is going rosy, this team has a tendency to feel comfortable with where they are at.
Maybe this might create a sharper edge , being brought back to earth with a thud can do that , Ted used to speak about the benefits of a loss in the area of a mental reset .
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32.
Can't be bothered continuing once someone identifies they don't know wtf they're talking about. The law is clear; you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
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Not sure whether this has been posted yet, but I found the bit about the studs and bench interesting.
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@kiwiinmelb difference is, back then they never got flogged by 30 points. And had a series of record losses prior.
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@antipodean “Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for players is the mark of touch.”
So you can close the metre gap once the ball is thrown, but you risk being offside if you make contact another player beyond the line of touch.
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@Stargazer surely they have to have a look at them (blade boots) now? Given player safety it seems like an easy one.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean “Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for players is the mark of touch.”
So you can close the metre gap once the ball is thrown, but you risk being offside if you make contact another player beyond the line of touch.
Yes. You can't cross it, hence throwing players over the line is penalised, but you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
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