All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
I agree that this year, when the money has been on the line we have come through
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
We sat two rows back from him on Friday. Could watch replays on his monitor!
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought this was a good discussion between Martin Devlin and Justin Marshall.
Marshall has really perfected the halfback stereotype hasn't he? He even dresses angry.
We sat two rows back from him on Friday. Could watch replays on his monitor!
did you feel that much more intelligent, being in the presence of such a gun commentator?
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@pakman I don't know what armband wearing clown is making those videos, but you'd think if it's going to quote the laws, it would understand them first.
Specifically that you don't have to maintain the gap after the ball is thrown in. See from 6:11
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@pakman An excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
There was a RFU directive to all referees a few years ago about the 1m gap. It’s there in the laws. The All Blacks can expect every English referee to police the 1m gap. It was frankly amazing that the ABs didn’t adapt and let themselves get penalised again and again and again for the same thing.
Two other things from that video:
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It really shows how much pressure the Ab scrum was under. Ouch!
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The referee team missed repeated neck rolls. I hope in future games other refs keep an eye out for that.
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@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32. I guess the argument will be the ABs went beyond the mark of touch.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman An excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
There was a RFU directive to all referees a few years ago about the 1m gap. It’s there in the laws. The All Blacks can expect every English referee to police the 1m gap. It was frankly amazing that the ABs didn’t adapt and let themselves get penalised again and again and again for the same thing.
Two other things from that video:
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It really shows how much pressure the Ab scrum was under. Ouch!
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The referee team missed repeated neck rolls. I hope in future games other refs keep an eye out for that.
Pressure much more pronounced when Barrett off. Starting eight handled themselves pretty well: penalties 2-1, albeit a couple of those could be argued the other way.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32. I guess the argument will be the ABs went beyond the mark of touch.
But it seems the ABs were arguing the Boks jumper was crossing the mark of touch, which is also a penalty?
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
But no doubt JB kicks longer than others.
I mean we haven't even given this approach a decent lash.
It's pretty clear most on here hate the defensive dinks and cross kicks. -
BTW at Twickers they didn't let anyone in with a bag bigger than an A4. They mean it. Goes into storage. Pickup queue took 1 1/2 hours to retrieve.
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@mariner4life i still don't think Talea lost that ball. Ironically, that was a knock on but the tap he tried was called back because the ball didn't move forward for the non-try against the Wobs?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
With hindsight, I’m not as bothered by the loss now as I was at the time .
I suspect when everything is going rosy, this team has a tendency to feel comfortable with where they are at.
Maybe this might create a sharper edge , being brought back to earth with a thud can do that , Ted used to speak about the benefits of a loss in the area of a mental reset .
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32.
Can't be bothered continuing once someone identifies they don't know wtf they're talking about. The law is clear; you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
