All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2
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@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Leaving out Kane was a brainfart.
Batting was our issue, after all,
😝
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@canefan Brodie was the problem then, in that he wasnt fit enough, lacked any game time, so that caused the decision to play SB over Cane, SB should have started lock, BR off the bench...but then we could also talk about the failure to attack the English lineout as well, but hey, we should all get over it.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan Brodie was the problem then, in that he wasnt fit enough, lacked any game time, so that caused the decision to play SB over Cane, SB should have started lock, BR off the bench...but then we could also talk about the failure to attack the English lineout as well, but hey, we should all get over it.
I was trying, I just need people to stop bringing it up again.........
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@pakman said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
For the World Cup knockouts, there’s no doubt in my mind that Sam Whitelock if fit starts. One of the all-times greats in Finals Rugby.
I'm still pissed at him for the push on Farrell in 2019. For all he brings, that was a spectacular own goal just as we were getting back into that game.
I’ve never managed to see a replay which shows what Farrell did to trigger that. My guess is that if ref had seen it the penalty would have gone the other way.
Owens blew the penalty - Sam went to get the ball quickly in case we wanted to tap and go. Farrell went in at the same time to presumably slow the ball. Desperation or frustration, Sam flung him aside - too roughly. I don't think there was anything else in it. Farrell stayed down and milked it for all it was worth.
Some days Sam would have got away with it - others he wouldn't. It was a bit of a soft penalty reversal, but you can't really argue against it.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
For the World Cup knockouts, there’s no doubt in my mind that Sam Whitelock if fit starts. One of the all-times greats in Finals Rugby.
I'm still pissed at him for the push on Farrell in 2019. For all he brings, that was a spectacular own goal just as we were getting back into that game.
I’ve never managed to see a replay which shows what Farrell did to trigger that. My guess is that if ref had seen it the penalty would have gone the other way.
Owens blew the penalty - Sam went to get the ball quickly in case we wanted to tap and go. Farrell went in at the same time to presumably slow the ball. Desperation or frustration, Sam flung him aside - too roughly. I don't think there was anything else in it. Farrell stayed down and milked it for all it was worth.
Some days Sam would have got away with it - others he wouldn't. It was a bit of a soft penalty reversal, but you can't really argue against it.
Yeah you can argue against it, it wasn't a no arms shoulder so when Farrell is involved that's fine
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
For the World Cup knockouts, there’s no doubt in my mind that Sam Whitelock if fit starts. One of the all-times greats in Finals Rugby.
I'm still pissed at him for the push on Farrell in 2019. For all he brings, that was a spectacular own goal just as we were getting back into that game.
I’ve never managed to see a replay which shows what Farrell did to trigger that. My guess is that if ref had seen it the penalty would have gone the other way.
Owens blew the penalty - Sam went to get the ball quickly in case we wanted to tap and go. Farrell went in at the same time to presumably slow the ball. Desperation or frustration, Sam flung him aside - too roughly. I don't think there was anything else in it. Farrell stayed down and milked it for all it was worth.
Some days Sam would have got away with it - others he wouldn't. It was a bit of a soft penalty reversal, but you can't really argue against it.
Fair enough, just my suspicion (obscured on screen) that Farrell gave him a crafty shove which led to the overreaction.
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Back to my point about the "exits" (in my day pretty sure we called them clearances) head Mex on Devlin the other day.
Not that I'm a fan of Mex's analysis but he made a good point about not kicking for touch. Mentioned lineout being a strength of those peeps, so the 25% return on the contestable kicks was a good option.
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@booboo said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
"exits" (in my day pretty sure we called them clearances)
3 syllables. Too long. Unless they rhyme. I look forward to the day they're referred to as "kicky-outies" - yeah, more syllables, but... feels appropriate and very possible in our slide towards Idiocracy.
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Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
When we contested them. Easy turnover when we didn't
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
I 100% agree, except when there are 2 minutes left in the half, so we get 30 seconds setting the lineout, then 30 seconds of a maul, and they are still 40-50 out. I still don't get the timing of Barrett's ridiculous up and unders when there are only a few minutes left in the half.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
I 100% agree, except when there are 2 minutes left in the half, so we get 30 seconds setting the lineout, then 30 seconds of a maul, and they are still 40-50 out. I still don't get the timing of Barrett's ridiculous up and unders when there are only a few minutes left in the half.
It's like he has no feel for the game, just does the same thing regardless of the situation
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
I 100% agree, except when there are 2 minutes left in the half, so we get 30 seconds setting the lineout, then 30 seconds of a maul, and they are still 40-50 out. I still don't get the timing of Barrett's ridiculous up and unders when there are only a few minutes left in the half.
It's like he has no feel for the game, just does the same thing regardless of the situation
What fucks me off is everyone blowing Barrett etc (did you see the breakdown, jesus get their dicks out of your mouth), when it was actually Will Jordan being Will Jordan and Frizell having the absolute best game of his entire career.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
I 100% agree, except when there are 2 minutes left in the half, so we get 30 seconds setting the lineout, then 30 seconds of a maul, and they are still 40-50 out. I still don't get the timing of Barrett's ridiculous up and unders when there are only a few minutes left in the half.
It's like he has no feel for the game, just does the same thing regardless of the situation
What fucks me off is everyone blowing Barrett etc (did you see the breakdown, jesus get their dicks out of your mouth), when it was actually Will Jordan being Will Jordan and Frizell having the absolute best game of his entire career.
Didn't see it. And clearly they weren't watching the same game as us
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
And added to that helped let Boks control speed of the game, which we were obviously trying to prevent. I got impression the ABs were trying to not let them settle too much even on our throw in etc.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks Vs Springboks RC Week 2:
Yes, if we gained another 10 metres by kicking it out and giving the lineout to the boks, they would have more than likely won the lineout, mauledupfield 10 metres and allowed them to control the pace of the game and dictate how they played.
The contestable kicks creates unstructured play and we won a very high % of them.
I 100% agree, except when there are 2 minutes left in the half, so we get 30 seconds setting the lineout, then 30 seconds of a maul, and they are still 40-50 out. I still don't get the timing of Barrett's ridiculous up and unders when there are only a few minutes left in the half.
It's like he has no feel for the game, just does the same thing regardless of the situation
What fucks me off is everyone blowing Barrett etc (did you see the breakdown, jesus get their dicks out of your mouth), when it was actually Will Jordan being Will Jordan and Frizell having the absolute best game of his entire career.
Didn't see it. And clearly they weren't watching the same game as us
I saw Breakdown, and had no probs with their take on game. Mind you I thought the RMo and BB combo worked bloody well , and both players were f***en good Jordan had by far best game of his career too.
Also thought it was great prrformance by tight forwards, BR abd SB were phenomanel in second row, and front row were also impressive. I also thought we lost a bit at breakdown after Cane went. -
@DaGrubster We got lucky, and won more of the 50/50s than usual. That doesn't make it a good tactic. We've been using it too much for a couple of years now, and it has come off pretty much once.
Kicking it out isn't the only other option. Kicking long and in, as the Chiefs did all season, works. Make the boks kick it back, then the contestable kick is in a better spot, or they kick it out and it is our lineout. Or they run it back and you back your defence - but from further out.
Le Roux has a good boot, but does over-cook a few, and I don't think the two Bok wingers are particularly notable kickers - so based on the opposition kicking long makes sense too.
