SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies
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@mariner4life said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Squire was a highlights reel no.6.
if he was playing against Australia. He was fucking ordinary against everyone else.
I wasn't complimenting Squire. A run out wide usually made the highlights.
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@friedrugby said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Liam Squire, who was awesome on the blindside.
No he wasn't. Just another pretender (there's been a few).
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I'm not a huge Squire fan (he seemed to be picked on his physical size rather than a variety of skills, work ethic and how he complemented the others IMO) but he was carrying quite a few injuries. Not sure I would have picked him but also not sure we saw the best of him in Black. I thought he might have a concentration problem rather than a form problem and given his later public declarations of mental health issues I'm not at all sure we saw him at 100%.
Finau is interesting, (and a friend of Frizell, gets advice from him) could be a litmus test on how out of the box the AB coaches will be this year (depending also on how influential Ryan is in selections). -
@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@friedrugby said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
I think Finau probably fits into the category of good Super player, but not quite test level... Luke Jacobson is the man for the ABs IMO.
Why not both?
Jacobson//ABS, as a 6/8 or 8/6 is he competing with Akira or is Akira competing for a spot with Sotutu? (Who IMO is a better or more experienced 8 but only an 8).
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@nostrildamus said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@friedrugby said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
I think Finau probably fits into the category of good Super player, but not quite test level... Luke Jacobson is the man for the ABs IMO.
Why not both?
Jacobson//ABS, as a 6/8 or 8/6 is he competing with Akira or is Akira competing for a spot with Sotutu? (Who IMO is a better or more experienced 8 but only an 8).
Sotutu seems to have gone off the boil a bit (or at least comparably with his earlier season work). Akira playing well but, he has already shown that he's not the answer in the AB 6 jersey. Maybe he'll do a Kaino like change and set better platforms instead of looking for quarter gaps when carrying. I want a 6 that complements Sami T so we get double punch ups and go forward ball.
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@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@nostrildamus said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@friedrugby said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
I think Finau probably fits into the category of good Super player, but not quite test level... Luke Jacobson is the man for the ABs IMO.
Why not both?
Jacobson//ABS, as a 6/8 or 8/6 is he competing with Akira or is Akira competing for a spot with Sotutu? (Who IMO is a better or more experienced 8 but only an 8).
Sotutu seems to have gone off the boil a bit (or at least comparably with his earlier season work). Akira playing well but, he has already shown that he's not the answer in the AB 6 jersey. Maybe he'll do a Kaino like change and set better platforms instead of looking for quarter gaps when carrying. I want a 6 that complements Sami T so we get double punch ups and go forward ball.
Such a poor take on both players, you have to ignore the last 5 or 6 games to get to that opinion. And of course the solution is untried Chiefs players, or failed Chiefs players like Jacobson.
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Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
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@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
Ineffective then?
Frizzel is a low bar to meet anyway.
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Jacobsen's biggest 'fail' in my eyes was a propensity to be penalised. I don't have the stats but he seems to have cleaned that up heaps
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@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
I really rate him - can see him having a solid future, and a real contender for higher honours. Injury didn't help him in 2019 or more recently
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@Kirwan said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
Ineffective then?
Frizzel is a low bar to meet anyway.
Not ineffective either. Less effective than the man you want in the position, possibly, but that's personal judgement.
He may not have been able to push out Frizzel. But then, neither has Ioane. So I don't really count that against either.
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The issue with Jacobson is I think he's a better 8 than a 6.
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We have a few pretty fair #8s floating around the country at the moment
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@KiwiMurph said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
The issue with Jacobson is I think he's a better 8 than a 6.
I agree, however he is probably an 8 that is suited to 6 if that makes sense.
He isn't so much the ranging back (or out) type 8.
A tight loosie, so to speak.
His tackle counts are high and his tackles hard and effective. He carries hard and commits defenders to go to ground (and stay there for a bit) -
Nick Berry Ref for this SF.
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It could be worse, but it is noticeable how much slower the game is setting scrums and lineouts with the Aust refs.
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And if we go to last weekend, Brumbies will be able to go off feet at rucks without too much worry!
I think he is very liberal with allowing players to seal off at ruck, and also with use off gate to enter ruck! -
Aidan Ross, Samisoni Taukei'aho, George Dyer, Brodie Retallick, Tupou Vaai, Samipeni Finau, Sam Cane (co-c), Luke Jacobson, Brad Weber (co-c), Damian McKenzie, Etene Nanai-Seturo, Anton Lienert-Brown, Alex Nankivell, Emoni Narawa, Shaun Stevenson
Reserves: Tyrone Thompson, Ollie Norris, John Ryan, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Pita Gus Sowakula, Cortez Ratima, Josh Ioane, Rameka Poihipi
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Media release:
https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/experienced-gallagher-chiefs-side-named-for-semi-final
Edit: Tyrone Thompson listed in the no.16 jersey.
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James Slipper, Lachlan Lonergan, Sefo Kautai, Nick Frost, Cadeyrn Neville, Tom Hooper, Pete Samu, Rob Valetini, Nic White (c), Jack Debreczeni, Ollie Sapsford, Tamati Tua, Len Ikitau, Andy Muirhead, Tom Wright
Reserves: Connal McInerney, Blake Schoupp, Rhys Van Nek, Darcy Swain, Luke Reimer, Ryan Lonergan, Noah Lolesio, Corey Toole
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That's the Chiefs team I expected if all players were fit.
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@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Tyrone Thompson listed in the no.16 jersey.
Ok I'll assume the Chiefs website knows their own team. Updated my post
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@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
That's the Chiefs team I expected if all players were fit.
must be very close to early fan picking of a first XV at the squad announcement time.
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Went back in the Chiefs 23 thread and found this
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2023:
This is the team I expect:
1 Ross
2 Taukei'aho
3Ta'avao
4 Retallick
5 Vaa’i
6Ah Kuoi
7 Cane
8 Jacobson
9 Weber
10Gatland(McKenzie)
11 Nanai-Seturo/Malimali
12 Nankivell/Poihipi
13 Lienert-Brown
14Stevenson(Narawa)
15McKenzie(Stevenson)16 Thompson
17 Norris
18Moli/Dyer
19Selby-Rickit
20 Sowakula
21Roe
22 Poihipi/Nankivell
23Narawa (Gatland/Ioane)Pretty close
No AT so at the time Ryan wasn't in the frame.
Finau hadn't leaped ahead
Roe may have kept Ratima at bay if not injured.So in that respect we've got the team we wanted. No glaring omissions or bad picks
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My guesses in the backs were based on where DMac played. I favoured the players in brackets, but wasn't sure the coaches would agree with me.
Blindside is the most interesting as McMillan talked up using Ah Kuoi in the media but never followed through on it.
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So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
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@Duluth said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Darcy Swain
Oh boy I can't wait for that fluffybunny to come onto the field
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@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Media release:
https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/experienced-gallagher-chiefs-side-named-for-semi-final
Edit: Tyrone Thompson listed in the no.16 jersey.
Interesting call, although really like this young fella!
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No Josh Lord on the team sheet is a big surprise for me as he was coming back strongly. I thought his lineout expertise would have been welcome against the Brumbies giant locks.
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@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
Refer to my earlier post. If Lord doesn't start he won't be on the bench as a specialist lock with the utility value of Ah Kuoi.
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@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
Refer to my earlier post. If Lord doesn't start he won't be on the bench as a specialist lock with the utility value of Ah Kuoi.
Yeah, can understand it, just thought he looked to offer a heck of a lot more than Vaai, and surely if they rate Vaai he provides the same cover from the bench, especially when you have PGS there anyway?
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Read the email of team announcement from Chiefs and stopped when they said loose forward trio unchanged. Ouch! Thankfully they had it wrong and Luke J is at 8. I agree with the the team named as best available.
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@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
Refer to my earlier post. If Lord doesn't start he won't be on the bench as a specialist lock with the utility value of Ah Kuoi.
Yeah, can understand it, just thought he looked to offer a heck of a lot more than Vaai, and surely if they rate Vaai he provides the same cover from the bench, especially when you have PGS there anyway?
Lord should be back in the AB frame IMO. Showed real physicality and would be a good back up to Retallick.
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@ARHS said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Read the email of team announcement from Chiefs and stopped when they said loose forward trio unchanged. Ouch! Thankfully they had it wrong and Luke J is at 8. I agree with the the team named as best available.
Wasn't Luke J actually named to start at 8 last week, but was swapped out before kick off? (Or did I just make that up in my head?)
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@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
Refer to my earlier post. If Lord doesn't start he won't be on the bench as a specialist lock with the utility value of Ah Kuoi.
Yeah, can understand it, just thought he looked to offer a heck of a lot more than Vaai, and surely if they rate Vaai he provides the same cover from the bench, especially when you have PGS there anyway?
I've found the recent Fern underrating of Vai'i a bit weird. He's put together a decent amount of tests and has always performed for the Chiefs. (Which is not discounting Lord, I expect next year they'll complement each other in the Chiefs engine room).
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Heading along to this one with the lads - very much looking forward to it regardless of the result (though the beer will taste a lot better if we win).
I can then also give my expert "I was there" opinion on here afterwards should I care to disagree with complete strangers on the internet, of course watching in between chatting with the lads and complaining about the cost of aforementioned beers.
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@Nepia said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
Refer to my earlier post. If Lord doesn't start he won't be on the bench as a specialist lock with the utility value of Ah Kuoi.
Yeah, can understand it, just thought he looked to offer a heck of a lot more than Vaai, and surely if they rate Vaai he provides the same cover from the bench, especially when you have PGS there anyway?
I've found the recent Fern underrating of Vai'i a bit weird. He's put together a decent amount of tests and has always performed for the Chiefs. (Which is not discounting Lord, I expect next year they'll complement each other in the Chiefs engine room).
I think Vai'i has had one of his better seasons, he was good in the pre season and has carried his form through the competition.
I do wonder however that with the absence of the SA sides that dynamic/lighter/mobile locks don't get shown up by the brute physicality of the SA sides and hence "look better"?
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@Windows97 said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Nepia said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bovidae said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Bones said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
So is Lord just dropped? Ouch.
Refer to my earlier post. If Lord doesn't start he won't be on the bench as a specialist lock with the utility value of Ah Kuoi.
Yeah, can understand it, just thought he looked to offer a heck of a lot more than Vaai, and surely if they rate Vaai he provides the same cover from the bench, especially when you have PGS there anyway?
I've found the recent Fern underrating of Vai'i a bit weird. He's put together a decent amount of tests and has always performed for the Chiefs. (Which is not discounting Lord, I expect next year they'll complement each other in the Chiefs engine room).
I think Vai'i has had one of his better seasons, he was good in the pre season and has carried his form through the competition.
I do wonder however that with the absence of the SA sides that dynamic/lighter/mobile locks don't get shown up by the brute physicality of the SA sides and hence "look better"?
Vaa'i needs to be compared with a young Whitelock not with BBBR. In that regard he is doing his job.
Lord looks to be the BBBR replacement and he should get a good run at that job next season.
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