It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
The German soccer team do this sort of thing regularly.
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@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
CEO Mark Robinson simply brushed it off by saying he’s in a “different time zone” and the NZR has tried to “reach out and have that chat if we can”.
Typically incompetent. A final kick in the teeth for Fozz. He's in France, not Mars. I assume he has a mobile phone, they could have called him out of courtesy
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job. -
@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
With Razor as coach I suppose we’re in for a few close shaves.
I thought bad jokes were being removed under threat of bans?
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
With Razor as coach I suppose we’re in for a few close shaves.
I thought bad jokes were being removed under threat of bans?
It must be a good joke I suppose.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
With Razor as coach I suppose we’re in for a few close shaves.
I thought bad jokes were being removed under threat of bans?
Everyone is allowed one (1) dad joke. Keep it up and it will be geometric progression bans.
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@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
CEO Mark Robinson simply brushed it off by saying he’s in a “different time zone” and the NZR has tried to “reach out and have that chat if we can”.
that simply staggers me, and is representative of the sort of poor management I have come to expect from NZR. That shit is basic courtesy; keeping him informed of when announcements will be made, and how they will advise him is management 101.
I'm no Foster fan, but that sucks balls. Never thought I'd miss Tew, but the incompetence from Board downwards has been painful to watch. It's like Blues v2.0
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@nzzp said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
CEO Mark Robinson simply brushed it off by saying he’s in a “different time zone” and the NZR has tried to “reach out and have that chat if we can”.
that simply staggers me, and is representative of the sort of poor management I have come to expect from NZR. That shit is basic courtesy; keeping him informed of when announcements will be made, and how they will advise him is management 101.
I'm no Foster fan, but that sucks balls. Never thought I'd miss Tew, but the incompetence from Board downwards has been painful to watch. It's like Blues v2.0
Robinson actually said Foster was being communicated with Foster about what was happening. So I guessing he would of known that NZR had meeting and that's when the panels nomination would be confirmed. I don't think Foster would of wanted to be contacted in middle of night to be told of a decision that doesn't affect him, he said on tv the other night, he wasn't really interested as his whole focus was on the team now! Personally I liked the job being done after WC , but can see hwy they felt they needed to sort it out now, with coaches having to decide where their futires lie etc.
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@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
4 years later than it should have been but yeah! Finally a coach selected on his record and not his connections. I expect some promotion of youth as the ABs need a rebuild.
As an aside I hope this lets foster concentrate on the job at hand. NZ are rank outsiders for the first time ever which might work in our favour.
Except for 1995
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@Nepia said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Damn, already 10 pages before I got a chance to contribute.
Glad they went with Razor (especially over Joseph). But realistically it was a foregone conclusion despite all the "in-the-know" contributors to the other thread who said otherwise.
Yeah - I looked at the Herald poll that had Razor at 65% and Jamie at 28% and thought it would be a big call (and a potential PR disaster) not to appoint Razor.
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@No-Quarter said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I think that's the most interesting part about Razor for me. He's most certainly employed at Super level to win the tournament, and losses to the likes of Drua are pretty quickly swept aside so long as his team is there at the business end and get it done. Test level, as you point out, is a very different kettle of fish. If Fozzie gets the job done at the RWC, does that mean previous losses, e.g. to Argentina, get swept aside because he got it done when it mattered? The answer is absolutely not, the ABs have a proud legacy and losses like that cannot be wiped from the slate the same way they can be at the lower levels. I'm interested to see how Razor responds to an environment where you just have to win every single game, and if you don't the braying for blood from the public gets louder and louder. I think NZR have taken a punt here, which I'm not opposed to at all as it's clear the ABs need a shake up, but 2024 is going to be very interesting.
Yeah - but I think anyone taking on the AB coaching reins would understand that quite well.
And I think the same would have applied to Jamie Joseph - we remember him beating the Jaapies and making the RWC play-offs - but his losses with Japan get swept away.
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NZR ignored the chap with the outstanding record for a long period of time.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job.On the other hand, everyone knew Fozzie was dead in the water unless he won the RWC and maybe even then.
The Fern had nearly 6,000 posts on the Fozzie Robertson thread, so imagine what the conversations were around the pro rugby dressing rooms and "who had heard what".
If you've ever gone through a big institutional restructuring you'll know how productivity falls away around the water cooler - until there is certainty.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job.On the other hand, everyone knew Fozzie was dead in the water unless he won the RWC and maybe even then.
The Fern had nearly 6,000 posts on the Fozzie Robertson thread, so imagine what the conversations were around the pro rugby dressing rooms and "who had heard what".
If you've ever gone through a big institutional restructuring you'll know how productivity falls away around the water cooler - until there is certainty.
At least now there is hope the players and coaches can compartmentalise 2024 and concentrate on 2023
