It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
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@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
Can't both be true?
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@BerhamporeNinja I'll be extremely surprised if he's not.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
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@canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
I'd like him there too but seems to be more the man in the chair type than a people person?
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
I'd like him there too but seems to be more the man in the chair type than a people person?
This came up earlier on. IIRC he said he was happier not being out front. He's more Wayne Smith than GH
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Mentoring the coaching team - Providing feedback on their plans and making sure they're fully accounting for the differences between coaching Super rugby and Test rugby. I wouldn't have Hansen as Manager - I'd have him as a mentor.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Mentoring the coaching team - Providing feedback on their plans and making sure they're fully accounting for the differences between coaching Super rugby and Test rugby. I wouldn't have Hansen as Manager - I'd have him as a mentor.
I agree. The mentor isn't there in an Xs and Os capacity. He's there to help smooth the transition from Super level to Test level
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
Sure, it wasn't announced, but that doesn't mean it wasn't locked in. I would have bet any amount of money that Hansen was going to take over from Henry, despite not being a betting man. We all knew it was going to happen. Including you.
Foster wasn't quite so locked in. But oddly all the other high quality candidates didn't wait around, but went out and got what they could. Which suggests that they felt they had no chance.
Foster was happy to take a shoo-in job with all other realistic candidates scared off. Then get an early extension, despite poor performance up to that date. On what basis would can he really complain that he's been treated badly?
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@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
Sure, it wasn't announced, but that doesn't mean it wasn't locked in. I would have bet any amount of money that Hansen was going to take over from Henry, despite not being a betting man. We all knew it was going to happen. Including you.
Foster wasn't quite so locked in. But oddly all the other high quality candidates didn't wait around, but went out and got what they could. Which suggests that they felt they had no chance.
Foster was happy to take a shoo-in job with all other realistic candidates scared off. Then get an early extension, despite poor performance up to that date. On what basis would can he really complain that he's been treated badly?
He should consider himself very lucky to not have been fired after the disastrous EOYT a couple of years back
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Mentoring the coaching team - Providing feedback on their plans and making sure they're fully accounting for the differences between coaching Super rugby and Test rugby. I wouldn't have Hansen as Manager - I'd have him as a mentor.
It's not a hill I need to die on. Just his sledge(?) against Ireland and one possible dig today about the NZR rationale for deciding now makes me think he'd have trouble keeping his comments out of the limelight. Happy to be proven wrong.
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Quite unprecedented knowing who the new All Blacks Coach will be when the incumbent still has a full season and the small matter of an RWC to go.
Am hoping there's some sort of Fern reverse jinx in the mix - i.e. the sheer weight of negativity and rush to replace him, means that Fozzie will manage to bring back the William Web Ellis later in the year.
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In all seriousness, this is brilliant news for NZ Rugby, for a few reasons.
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Robertson will bring an immense amount of energy and enthusiasm to the role. This has been terribly lacking under 'low energy' Ian Foster.
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Robertson is a passionate learner of the game. He spends every off-season traveling the world visiting successful teams and learning methods from successful coaches.
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Robertson teams have historically played above the sum of their parts. Players have played above themselves under his systems. Over the last four years players have consistently struggled for form whilst with the AB's. It's because the systems were not conducive to playing well.
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I expect Robertson to bring plenty of innovation to the All Blacks. After 4 shitty years of structure-less attack, flat attacking backlines and ridiculous pod systems that simply allowed other teams to dominate numbers at the breakdown, I expect this will be a new and exciting era for the All Blacks.
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Robertson has shown that he is excellent at developing young talent. And that will be crucial over the next 4 years. With experienced All Blacks departing NZ, we need a coach who can introduce new talent into the team, develop their confidence whilst also harnessing their enthusiasm and energy. When was the last time a young new All Black played with confidence under Foster?
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I suspect part of what gave Robertson the edge over someone like Jamie Joseph is that he's NZ based. He knows the NZ players better. This will be vital as over the next few years selection is going to be absolutely critical. Identifying and selecting the right players will be crucial.
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I also think this appointment sends a great message to NZ coaches. It says that you can stay in NZ Rugby and still reach the top. Previously we've had the ridiculous inference that if you want to coach the AB's you've got to leave NZ and coach overseas. And all this has done is exacerbate the brain-drain of talented coaches offshore. Why would we deliberately encourage our best and most aspirational coaches to leave NZ? It's the opposite of what we try and do with our players, by only picking locally based players for the AB's.
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Scott Hansen will be part of that Coaching team I would bet,
Ryan and Holland as well,
Betting McDonald will not feature but Tamiti Ellison may do he has been very very good as Defence coach for the Crusaders under Razor.I would pick Andrew Goodman to take over as Crusaders HC,with James Marshall and Dave Perrin to carry on.
They may need another Defence coach
