It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.This makes no sense. A bunch of these guys are leaving anyway and will want to go out on a high. And winning the RWC is not commensurate with securing an AB squad place in 2024, just like a spot in this year's RWC squad was not entirely dependent on results from last year
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
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@nostrildamus not a bad addition id say
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@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
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@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus not a bad addition id say
On merit, but I hope some of the assistants are from beyond Canterbury.
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@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
I'll ne shocked if he isn't there. The only way he doesn't make it is if he turns Razor down
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@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
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@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
Can't both be true?
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@BerhamporeNinja I'll be extremely surprised if he's not.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
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@canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
I'd like him there too but seems to be more the man in the chair type than a people person?
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
I'd like him there too but seems to be more the man in the chair type than a people person?
This came up earlier on. IIRC he said he was happier not being out front. He's more Wayne Smith than GH
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Mentoring the coaching team - Providing feedback on their plans and making sure they're fully accounting for the differences between coaching Super rugby and Test rugby. I wouldn't have Hansen as Manager - I'd have him as a mentor.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Mentoring the coaching team - Providing feedback on their plans and making sure they're fully accounting for the differences between coaching Super rugby and Test rugby. I wouldn't have Hansen as Manager - I'd have him as a mentor.
I agree. The mentor isn't there in an Xs and Os capacity. He's there to help smooth the transition from Super level to Test level
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
Sure, it wasn't announced, but that doesn't mean it wasn't locked in. I would have bet any amount of money that Hansen was going to take over from Henry, despite not being a betting man. We all knew it was going to happen. Including you.
Foster wasn't quite so locked in. But oddly all the other high quality candidates didn't wait around, but went out and got what they could. Which suggests that they felt they had no chance.
Foster was happy to take a shoo-in job with all other realistic candidates scared off. Then get an early extension, despite poor performance up to that date. On what basis would can he really complain that he's been treated badly?
