6N Ireland v England
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@Kruse said in 6N Ireland v England:
Having said that - it was an unfortunate one.
He had fuck all time to make a decision, and made the wrong one.
BUT - I guess the onus should then become... don't put yourself in that position in the first place.
As to the asinine "What else could he have done?" bleating? It's already been answered several times, but best option was probably to continue with a legal tackle.- If he was able to do that, and truly didn't have the time to do anything else - then it wouldn't be ruled as a late tackle, as he'd "already committed"
- If he wasn't able to do that, then he was never in a position to do anything other than an act of "Foul Play" -and therefore... a card was always in the pipeline anyway.
The more I see these things though, the more I like what we're doing in Super Rugby... the Yellow which can be upgraded to Red after considered unpressured reflection.
And 20 . minute red card.
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I agree the rules need looking at and doubt there was any malicious intent, but players have been aware of how this sort of stuff has been reffed for years and know the burden of proof is reversed with head contact.
The hard contact with the head and zero mitigation means it's a clear Red.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in 6N Ireland v England:
I agree the rules need looking at and doubt there was any malicious intent, but players have been aware of how this sort of stuff has been reffed for years and know the burden of proof is reversed with head contact.
The hard contact with the head and zero mitigation means it's a clear Red.
Yeah when your team is still lifting above horizontal and/or tucking the arm - it's not the ref's fault. It's a simple message which people keep trying to excuse the players from absorbing.
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@Bones said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Victor-Meldrew said in 6N Ireland v England:
I agree the rules need looking at and doubt there was any malicious intent, but players have been aware of how this sort of stuff has been reffed for years and know the burden of proof is reversed with head contact.
The hard contact with the head and zero mitigation means it's a clear Red.
Yeah when your team is still lifting above horizontal and/or tucking the arm - it's not the ref's fault. It's a simple message which people keep trying to excuse the players from absorbing.
Def. can't blame the ref's. But World Rugby haven't made it easier for the players either and taken way too long to bring in stuff like the 8 minute rule and 20 min Reds which seem to be a fix.
One for the Rugby Annoyances thread
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@Victor-Meldrew said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Bones said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Victor-Meldrew said in 6N Ireland v England:
I agree the rules need looking at and doubt there was any malicious intent, but players have been aware of how this sort of stuff has been reffed for years and know the burden of proof is reversed with head contact.
The hard contact with the head and zero mitigation means it's a clear Red.
Yeah when your team is still lifting above horizontal and/or tucking the arm - it's not the ref's fault. It's a simple message which people keep trying to excuse the players from absorbing.
Def. can't blame the ref's. But World Rugby haven't made it easier for the players either and taken way too long to bring in stuff like the 8 minute rule and 20 min Reds which seem to be a fix.
One for the Rugby Annoyances thread
That and the bullshit double standards around the absolute bullshit Owen Farrell used to dish up, plus incidents like the difference in punishment of Taavao and Porter earlier this year.
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@game_film said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Bones I still can’t figure out the difference between those 2.
One plays for a team that is favoured by officials...
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@MajorRage so if you were Keenan you'd be happy to brush it off as just one of those things? There were other options for Steward. Keenan didn't get to come back on.
Fuck I hate I'm semi representing Ireland on this. Yuck.
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It was his forehead the broke BBBR’s cheekbone and he actually wasn’t going backwards at the time of the collision. Another bullshit call.
Anyway, at times the game of rugby I very dynamic around the gainline but unfortunately the players are actually not fast enough for the Laws. So, we will always have this problem unfortunately
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Watched the tackle a number of times. Just seemed like a crazy ill-fated accident. Sure Steward could have wrapped or tried to, but there still was the issue of "ducking* into the tackle from Keenan. The natural human instinct is to raise your arm to protect/soften the blow from an "incoming" missile. Just these stupid frickin laws atm. Definitely needs an overhaul.
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Will be interesting to see the outcome of the hearing. Will he get 3 weeks or will they downgrade the charge.
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@Kruse said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Crucial said in 6N Ireland v England:
Obviously wasn’t avoidable because he tried and failed.
Too late.
He put himself into a position where it had become unavoidable.
Which was avoidable.A simplistic view, perhaps, but the sort of view that players need to be trained in, to stop this from happening.
Whether or not anybody agrees with how it's being ruled, it's pretty obvious that if you don't want to get carded, don't put yourself in a situation where it becomes a TMO lottery.I just don’t understand the assertion that “he put himself in a position where it had become unavoidable “. That’s his job. Line speed on D.
If Hansen doesn’t drop it he is going to empty Keenan with a tackle. Hansen drops it , Keenan continues to play at the ball and connects with Steward who has abandoned the play.
If Steward had played for the ball and Keenan head butted him I wouldn’t be calling for Keenan to be marched. It’s an accidental collision during a breakdown in play . I’m not sure what lesson Steward is supposed to be taught by getting that red. What behaviour he can change etc. Kaino won two world cups and he is face palming the decision. As are many other professionals past and present. I don’t think I’m having some sort of contrarian left field hot take here.
I love nothing more than seeing perfidious Albion getting a good spanking. Everybody does. But these things are going to happen to “your” team one day so we at least need to be consistent . For me if we are going to be sending lads off for that - the game ,as we know and love it, is gone.
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@DaGrubster said in 6N Ireland v England:
It was his forehead the broke BBBR’s cheekbone and he actually wasn’t going backwards at the time of the collision. Another bullshit call.
Anyway, at times the game of rugby I very dynamic around the gainline but unfortunately the players are actually not fast enough for the Laws. So, we will always have this problem unfortunately
You’re dead right. I stand corrected .
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@Billy-Tell said in 6N Ireland v England:
Will be interesting to see the outcome of the hearing. Will he get 3 weeks or will they downgrade the charge.
Can understand the Red being given in how these things are reffed today, but any ban would be ludicrous IMHO.
Nothing malicious at all.
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@Bones said in 6N Ireland v England:
@MajorRage so if you were Keenan you'd be happy to brush it off as just one of those things? There were other options for Steward. Keenan didn't get to come back on.
Fuck I hate I'm semi representing Ireland on this. Yuck.
Yes.
Tries to avoid hitting him, hands down, turning away.
Basically he got sent off because of a shitty Irish pass which changed his body position and everything. Keenan head butted his arm, not the other way around.
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I wonder what the outcome would have been if Peyper had blown up quickly for the knock on?
