Pick the next AB coach - two horse race
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@MiketheSnow said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Razor
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Are you sure? He might pick your hatiest AB at 10!!
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@nostrildamus said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@MiketheSnow said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Razor
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Are you sure? He might pick your hatiest AB at 10!!
Nah Mounga is overseas when the new coach takes over.
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@Chris said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@nostrildamus said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@MiketheSnow said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Razor
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Are you sure? He might pick your hatiest AB at 10!!
Nah Mounga is overseas when the new coach takes over.
Good point but I just wanted to spook @MiketheSnow and remind him how much Razor rates Richie...
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@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
I won't be upset if it's JJ but I'd prefer Razor. He's younger and you can't question his record.
Ideally, the next coach should take us through 2 world cup cycles, so age comes into factor - Razor is 48, Joseph is 53, the younger coach has more room for growth hence (in terms of longevity) Razor is the better option, because coaches have a window in which they are at their best, looking at past successful international & title winning coaches it's generally between 40-55 years (not always - but far more often than not this is the case). Hansen, Jones, Gatland, Rennie are just a few examples who's effectiveness as head coaches all declined once they entered that critical late-50's period. This is a trend that is extremely consistent & can't be ignored.
Fucking hell it took me this long to realise you're a parody account and I only realise it because of the pushing of every possible bar of sanity on multiple threads with this little cherry on top of a post.
Well played sir.
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Quite staggering that the posted arguments from last two years don't seem to be about the wider requirements of the role. E. G. Planning a 4 year rwc cycle in detail. Becoming the public face of NZRU and their strategy. Managing a wide array of coaches players and staff to work together for best team results and putting ego's aside. Managing the welfare and development needs of those individuals. It isn't all about finding a motivational gimmick for each match or keeping up with any new ploys and grey areas for officials or rotating squad to have them ready for home finals. I am glad a proper panel is being set up to consider the options because the choice will reverberate through super level and below. I will be happy with whomever they choose as they will be the best overall fit for NZ Rugby for next 4 years.
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@ARHS said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Quite staggering that the posted arguments from last two years don't seem to be about the wider requirements of the role. E. G. Planning a 4 year rwc cycle in detail. Becoming the public face of NZRU and their strategy. Managing a wide array of coaches players and staff to work together for best team results and putting ego's aside. Managing the welfare and development needs of those individuals. It isn't all about finding a motivational gimmick for each match or keeping up with any new ploys and grey areas for officials or rotating squad to have them ready for home finals. I am glad a proper panel is being set up to consider the options because the choice will reverberate through super level and below. I will be happy with whomever they choose as they will be the best overall fit for NZ Rugby for next 4 years.
dont you know robertson can do all that. hes the best at everything. no weak points
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@ARHS said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
I am glad a proper panel is being set up to consider the options because the choice will reverberate through super level and below.
The whole structure needs attention. Super is no longer preparing players for Tests. We need to refocus on the quality of the rugby, the feeders and pathways, and how we develop and retain coaches and players.
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@ARHS said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Quite staggering that the posted arguments from last two years don't seem to be about the wider requirements of the role. E. G. Planning a 4 year rwc cycle in detail. Becoming the public face of NZRU and their strategy. Managing a wide array of coaches players and staff to work together for best team results and putting ego's aside. Managing the welfare and development needs of those individuals. It isn't all about finding a motivational gimmick for each match or keeping up with any new ploys and grey areas for officials or rotating squad to have them ready for home finals. I am glad a proper panel is being set up to consider the options because the choice will reverberate through super level and below. I will be happy with whomever they choose as they will be the best overall fit for NZ Rugby for next 4 years.
I have tried to call that stuff out in conjunction with highlighting that Robertson's success has been in excellent planning Super campaigns (a very different kettle of fish)
Of course the discussion then goes back to the ABF brigade.You make a very good point in that (hopefully) NZR are aware of all of these attributes required as AB coach and are looking for the best fit. It is important for this detail to not be lost in the 'overseas experience' one.
There are certainly examples around of coaches that have had success without any track record in these areas but also examples of where that success is very short lived and creates problems down the track or isn't sustainable. (eg the Eddie Jones factor)
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@Crucial said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
You don't think that Gatland has been approached? Isn't interested?
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@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@Crucial said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
You don't think that Gatland has been approached? Isn't interested?
There is zero in that article that explains the headline. Gatland is only contracted to Wales through RWC2023. At present there is nothing stopping him coming back to NZ and I haven't seen anything from him indicating that he isn't interested this time around.
NZR in the past have been very interested in getting him back here and that must be for a reason. -
Might be plenty of people who apply, but the guys holding trump cards are Razor, Joseph, Gatland and Schmidt (but, he's ruled himself out). I can't think of anyone with a record that doesn't get trumped by one of these guys - maybe Rennie has an angle?
I expect it to be Razor and I think it should be.
I counted up the other day and I think he's won something like 20 out of 21 knockout matches coaching Canterbury and the Crusaders - only the Mighty Ta$man Mako have got the better of him (and I'll forgive him that).
I think we will need something of a revolution in AB coaching and I think he's the most likely to deliver it.
And I really don't want him and BMac sitting in England plotting our downfalls!
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@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Razor is the better option, because coaches have a window in which they are at their best, looking at past successful international & title winning coaches it's generally between 40-55 years
Ted was 58 before he got the gig....
I read somewhere last week that Schmidt was considering throwing his name out.
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@dogmeat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Razor is the better option, because coaches have a window in which they are at their best, looking at past successful international & title winning coaches it's generally between 40-55 years
Ted was 58 before he got the gig....
I read somewhere last week that Schmidt was considering throwing his name out.
I think he was throwing it in.
Then out.
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@voodoo said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@dogmeat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Razor is the better option, because coaches have a window in which they are at their best, looking at past successful international & title winning coaches it's generally between 40-55 years
Ted was 58 before he got the gig....
I read somewhere last week that Schmidt was considering throwing his name out.
I think he was throwing it in.
Then out.
Schmidt's man-management style did not go down well at the latter stages of his Ireland tenure. Farrell is getting a lot more out of the team as their head coach, who's approach is more aligned with Razor's management style.
Joe is much better as an assistant coach away from the limelight & responsibilities of a head coach I think.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Don't really have an opinion between the two, but think NZR will go for Joseph. He seems to fit the NZR mould a bit better.
You might think that the NZR would question their mould though. Perhaps question if continuity is really the way forward.
(I voted Robertson, but I'm not particularly fussed.)
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@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
who's approach is more aligned with Razor's management style.
Gold...but you can't get away with throwing that out there and dismissing it.
Go on, explain - and the interesting but will be in how you know these details.
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@Chester-Draws said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
Perhaps question if continuity is really the way forward
continuity worked previously, but it is clear the game has moved a long way since our last success when we were still clearly #1 which was probably post 2015 RWC, FF to now and we are playing catch up, so we need to up our game, so I guess it all depends what JJ or Razor manage to sell NZR
Sure on any given day there isnt much between the top teams, but right now, if we played to our best, and were coming up against the French or Irish at thier best, we come 2nd.
We need fresh thinking.
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@kiwi_expat said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
@Crucial said in Pick the next AB coach - two horse race:
You don't think that Gatland has been approached? Isn't interested?
kiwi=expat, mate you have to stop taking stuff articles as gospel, it's bacically clickbait and seemingly aimed towards overseas kiwis who don't seem to have other news from home. I don't mean just in sport, but the vast majority of their news etc seems same. Click bait for people who don't really read papers or see NZ news prgrammes. That was always my impression and even morte since I been back home.
