All Blacks 2023
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@Chris-B Agree 100% that is our nailed in team.
For 6, they talked about wanting more physicality. I think they wasted a lot of time on Frizell which would have been better spent on Akira, but with neither stamping their mark consistently (or at all in Frizell's case) then it makes sense to play SB there.
For 10, I have a personal preference for DMac, but he doesn't have the experience at 10 at test level. I really hope Richie can deliver at AB level in his final year, we've been waiting long enough for it.
For 11, Clarke is really the only winger that fits the bill at this stage, so they'll be hoping he builds some consistent form going into the AB season.
For 15, an in form Beauden is by far our best bet at the back if Jordie plays 12. Has all the experience, and can create things out of nothing, just needs to get his mojo back! He's better at 15 than 10 these days though.
I'm happy with that team, and injuries not withstanding we have as good a chance as any to take the cup this year.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Reckon he'd be an excellent "Kahui" even.
Injured all the time ?
He managed to stay uninjured for 6 games in a row that mattered.
He did and he did a fantastic job. I thought he’d have a long career after that but unfortunately not. Stink.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Same thing isn't it?
Pretty much. One has a more positive sound, one has a more negative.
I think KW was getting too hung up on the tone of the words
i think the phrase "still learning" suggests someone cant execute something to the required level, you'd hope in a RWC year we'd be polishing rather than carving, but if what we mean is he's working on getting from 80% there to 90% there then all good
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Same thing isn't it?
Pretty much. One has a more positive sound, one has a more negative.
I think KW was getting too hung up on the tone of the words
i think the phrase "still learning" suggests someone cant execute something to the required level, you'd hope in a RWC year we'd be polishing rather than carving, but if what we mean is he's working on getting from 80% there to 90% there then all good
My biggest (possibly unfounded) concern is that RI isn't quite the defence organiser yet and the impact is felt through Clarke. I'm not blaming Rieko for Clarke's misreads just wondering if we would be less worried about Clarkes defence if there was more security in having his centre direct him. Same goes for the fullback giving directions and I don't think it is a strong point of either of the Barretts.
It's the combinations that worry me.
How I wish we had Conrad out there waving and yelling.... -
Blues defence this year has been very good, and RI has been a big part of that. The game against the best team in the comp (the Crusaders) was a great demonstration of that when they had 99% of the ball.
Most of the silliness written about RI is five years out of date now. He's the best centre in the country these days, a great organiser on defence and uses his pace on both attack and defence really well.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Barring injuries....
ED, ST, TL
SW, BR
SB, SC, AS
AS, RM, CC(?), JB, RI, WJ, BBWho are your backs replacements?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Same thing isn't it?
Pretty much. One has a more positive sound, one has a more negative.
I think KW was getting too hung up on the tone of the words
i think the phrase "still learning" suggests someone cant execute something to the required level, you'd hope in a RWC year we'd be polishing rather than carving, but if what we mean is he's working on getting from 80% there to 90% there then all good
My biggest (possibly unfounded) concern is that RI isn't quite the defence organiser yet and the impact is felt through Clarke. I'm not blaming Rieko for Clarke's misreads just wondering if we would be less worried about Clarkes defence if there was more security in having his centre direct him. Same goes for the fullback giving directions and I don't think it is a strong point of either of the Barretts.
It's the combinations that worry me.
How I wish we had Conrad out there waving and yelling....12 and fullback should be leading, not the centre. Centre is the hardest position to defend from, you need to hear voices not be the voice.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Barring injuries....
ED, ST, TL
SW, BR
SB, SC, AS
AS, RM, CC(?), JB, RI, WJ, BBWho are your backs replacements?
A bunch of Ninjas that we're not telling the Welsh RU about!
Ah, what the hell...
Actually, I don't know who the reserve halfback will be, because Fozzie did the entirely unexpected last year (for me) and picked two rookies in Christie and Fakatava - when he should have picked just one. I thought Perenara had just about played his way back into pole position, but then he got broken - Weber and Roigard probably also somewhere in the frame, but it's as murky as a murky thing.
Lienert-Brown and Telea for the other two.
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I think RI is maturing probably about the right time.
Sure he has work ons, but not many dont.
If we can give him enough good front foot ball, he could be a star of the RWC.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
Sure he has work ons, but not many dont.
That's really the problem, when you compare this team to the 2015 vintage (and why I chose 2011 earlier).
If everyone in your team makes one mistake per game, then you've already got 15 mistakes - and if some people make two or three mistakes - then you're going to start to lose.
In 2015 we had people like Ben Smith who literally went whole seasons without making a mistake (ironically he made one in the RWC final). Conrad would string together multiple games without a bad error. Danny-Boy could do it. Ma'a didn't make many and nor did Aaron Smith. A good basis for really good (not perfect) rugby. But, we may never see another team like that one.
We don't have the same consistency in our current group of players. We're playing a brand of higher risk and reward rugby - probably a bit more like our ill-fated 1999 and 2003 teams. Doesn't mean we can't win - but, I'm not hurrying to the TAB to bet my fortune on us.
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@Chris-B this is why I like Harmon a lot but not sure where he fits in the 7 rankings as AB as he cleans up a lot of Clan mistakes but would he still shine in a very good attacking team? Not sure but think so/hope so.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Barring injuries....
ED, ST, TL
SW, BR
SB, SC, AS
AS, RM, CC(?), JB, RI, WJ, BBWho are your backs replacements?
A bunch of Ninjas that we're not telling the Welsh RU about!
Ah, what the hell...
Actually, I don't know who the reserve halfback will be, because Fozzie did the entirely unexpected last year (for me) and picked two rookies in Christie and Fakatava - when he should have picked just one. I thought Perenara had just about played his way back into pole position, but then he got broken - Weber and Roigard probably also somewhere in the frame, but it's as murky as a murky thing.
Lienert-Brown and Telea for the other two.
If Roigard, DMac and Telea don't get significant game time at the sharp end then you can kiss goodbye to the Cup IMHO
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@nostrildamus I think Cane, Papali'i and Blackadder are all ahead of Billy in the 7 queue - I reckon he'll need injuries to make it.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus I think Cane, Papali'i and Blackadder are all a
head of Billy in the 7 queue - I reckon he'll need injuries to make it.Fair enough.
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Haha good one josh. Couldn't agree more for the highlanders, couldn't agree less for the ABs. Would be great to see Frizzel at lock and Barrett at 6 🤮
Former All Black flanker backs potential Shannon Frizell position change
The No 6 jersey has been one of the most difficult to hold down throughout Ian Foster's tenure as All Blacks head coach.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B this is why I like Harmon a lot but not sure where he fits in the 7 rankings as AB as he cleans up a lot of Clan mistakes but would he still shine in a very good attacking team? Not sure but think so/hope so.
unfortunately i think Harmon will be added to that list of international class players that never got a shot at a higher honors because they were behind world class players, if i was him id be finding a scottish grandmother
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@Chris-B comparing to the 2015 team is a fools errand. Arguably the finest rugby team ever assembled. A bunch of guys who are either all time greats for NZ, or in some cases the world. All playing well at the same time. That's lightening strike stuff.
Even the lessor lights of the team, like the back 3 or the hookers, were great players. Ridiculous side.
