ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?
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@stodders said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
@DaGrubster Didn't the NZRU look at something like this years back with Saracens? I think the South Africans took the initiative with Saracens (bankrolled by Johann Rupert)
i thought it was Quins...but yeah, something was announced and i thought we were going to take control of giving coaches and players experience in other leagues....dont think i saw anything come out of it after it was announced
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I been interested to read the argument for open selection policy etc because it works for Boks and Pumas. Boks are No 2 in world so works for them, but the rest of top 5 work on playing for local teams, Ireland at No 1, NZ, England and France do.
I just think the arguments about Boks and Pumas don't really hold water. I think it's more what works for each country!
I honestly think the rules we have at moment are pretty good, there is enough flexibility from NZR (not sure what others use)tc at moment. -
@Dan54 said in ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?:
I been interested to read the argument for open selection policy etc because it works for Boks and Pumas. Boks are No 2 in world so works for them, but the rest of top 5 work on playing for local teams, Ireland at No 1, NZ, England and France do.
I just think the arguments about Boks and Pumas don't really hold water. I think it's more what works for each country!
I honestly think the rules we have at moment are pretty good, there is enough flexibility from NZR (not sure what others use)tc at moment.I don't think many people are worried about it harming the All Blacks, they're worried about it harming the domestic game.
Also worth noting that South Africa have only had this carte blanche approach for a few years. Once they've cycled through a generation of players who played their formative rugby in South Africa, their situation might be different (but might not). The bigger thing is still the domestic game.
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Robertson to up ante on selecting overseas players for All Blacks
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
I think I've been had
What a lame arse fluffybunny, picked shit players so he can play 'I need overseas players' card
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
The dumb fuck doesn't need most of those guys. Wallace has already performed to a higher level in black than Frizell ever had. And given the chance Lakai will do too
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
Bollocks. Razor obviously got wind that many on the Fern are not happy with him, so he is paving the way to select Akira, Sotutu and Plummer.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Fuck no I am dead against picking overseas players.It will be the death nail of our competitions imo.
If players want to come back no problems but play in our competitions to be selected.
It sounds like Razor wants to keep Cane ffs.
Stupid idea Razor get your shit together and promote the players we have playing locally and players who return to play locally. -
I was hoping that was just another sensational media headline
But no, that's the AB coach wanting players who left NZ, in black and white.
That's fucking disgraceful.
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Just NO to overseas players. Yes if they play super rugby even in Australia. Find a way somehow to get Japan back into super rugby.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
I was hoping that was just another sensational media headline
But no, that's the AB coach wanting players who left NZ, in black and white.
That's fucking disgraceful.
And, his rationale, TBH, is SA is a bit better than us so can we play by their rules?
That's not quite the coaching genius I signed up for.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
I was hoping that was just another sensational media headline
But no, that's the AB coach wanting players who left NZ, in black and white.
That's fucking disgraceful.
And more to the point.
The players who left, did so, knowing they would be ineligible for Allblack selection going forward.
They didnt want to put their shoulder to the Allblack wheel anymore.
Fuck them.
I dont want any of them back.
You're with us or you're against us.
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@Billy-Tell Good point, if we had access to our Australian based Kiwis in Super Rugby, we would have a bit more depth. I wonder if he wants players to play Npc so they are All Black eligible as opposed to Super Rugby only playing for Kiwi franchises.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
The players who left, did so, knowing they would be ineligible for Allblack selection going forward.
Well some, but maybe some who were close to who they knew would be coach were told to cash in and he would get them back in the fold?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Quote from the article.
“You cannot replace Test experience – that’s one thing I’ve learned. Hence why Sam Cane has been so valuable. That’s the consistency that South Africa have at the moment."
This is BS. No wonder he's been picking complete has beens all year.
Experience is not fungible/equal.
A lot of the old heads in this group have had a decade of being losers, breaking records for losing, and just in general being inferior. They have BAD experience.
No surprise our best players all year have been debutants who have taken it directly to teams that have been dominating us recently.
Or 2004 where we transformed the team in ONE EOYT by leaving behind Spencer/Marshall and a bunch of experienced MUST HAVE players.
And the next gen took over and dominated the world.
We are on the cusp of that here but apparently Razor is scared to pull the switch.
Don't forget our best player in Sititi this year may have only had 80 minutes of game time all year if it wasn't for that Blackadder injury.
Or seeing Aumua step up when he had no CHOICE after Taylors early injury, and he performed and became a monster this tour, after finally being given a full game instead of a BS garbage time 15 minutes at the end.
We have a bunch of toxic nepotism picks who have been losers for near a DECADE holding us up with our next generation just waiting in the stands until they get they their chance.
Beauden/Rieko/Jordie are immediate examples.
Scott Barret/Reece, possibly Ardie are more.
More than half the team currently literally aren't the best in NZ.
