Bledisloe 2
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
@gt12 funnily enough Reece has played in the midfield for the ABs once and did so for Tasman and Saders.
And Reece played most of his schoolboy career in the midfield. I'm not sure they'd trust LF in the midfield just yet.
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I could see Leicester coming in for Clarke and adding 13 cover.
Foster name checked Leicester.
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I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
In the starting XV or 23?
There needs to be two new back reserves to replace BB (on the assumption he starts at FB) and Tupaea (injured). RTS can provide 2nd 5 cover only, but that will mean Reece misses out.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
The easiest option is JB to 12 and BB to 15, i.e., the backline that played in the 2nd half. I also don't think that the RM-BB combo has worked that well.
Putting RTS at 12, in combination with Ioane, could also be looked at. Less disruption and you still have the aerial strength and big boot of JB at the back. BB to provide impact off the bench.
If they do go for RTS they’ll be tempted to have BB start at 10. A 10/12/13 combo that went well in SR
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@Duluth with that 10, 12, 13 would you have JB at 15 and stick with the current wings? I think I'd be ok with that midfield if we had Reece in for Clarke.
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Reece in for Jordan IMO
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
Upvote for the bold. But we will need to find a bench replacement too.
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Clarke and Jordan definitely need some polish, but they are strike weapons we will need at the WC.
Defensive pattern and tight five depth are my biggest concerns.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
Upvote for the bold. But we will need to find a bench replacement too.
FC, BB and Reece.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
Still missing my point. I have no issue with JB being at 12 no matter how he plays. My issue is with RM at 10 if BB is at 15. Those two haven't worked out how to play well together.
No, you explicitly said adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things, which makes no sense when you consider the role DH plays.
Who knows, maybe JB at 12 may be the key to unlocking the RM/BB dysfunction?
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Has RTS lost his pace? I do wish he could've had a bit more "learnings" at centre or wing, would solve a problem or two.
I like the idea of Perofeta to fullback if JB to 12. Swap out Jordan for Reece - at least Clarke is trying, I'm sick of seeing Jordan watching on, there was more than one kick he could have put pressure on.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
Still missing my point. I have no issue with JB being at 12 no matter how he plays. My issue is with RM at 10 if BB is at 15. Those two haven't worked out how to play well together.
No, you explicitly said adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things, which makes no sense when you consider the role DH plays.
Who knows, maybe JB at 12 may be the key to unlocking the RM/BB dysfunction?
Ok, you win.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
Still missing my point. I have no issue with JB being at 12 no matter how he plays. My issue is with RM at 10 if BB is at 15. Those two haven't worked out how to play well together.
No, you explicitly said adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things, which makes no sense when you consider the role DH plays.
Who knows, maybe JB at 12 may be the key to unlocking the RM/BB dysfunction?
Ok, you win.
So do the ABs.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
Still missing my point. I have no issue with JB being at 12 no matter how he plays. My issue is with RM at 10 if BB is at 15. Those two haven't worked out how to play well together.
No, you explicitly said adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things, which makes no sense when you consider the role DH plays.
Who knows, maybe JB at 12 may be the key to unlocking the RM/BB dysfunction?
I hope so. Wouldn't that be something? We either have a shit D coach or lack leadership on defence. Snake used to boss the midfield, maybe JB can do it too?
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We should definitely persevere with Clarke, he's our only genuine power winger and he's making breaks on a regular basis which is gold at test level. His biggest work on is decision making after he's busted clear, which will come with experience.
Jordan was better in the last game, after the match he said he'd spoken to Enoka who had stressed that he should he looking for work all game if the ball isn't coming his way. He's definitely been guilty of waiting for the play instead of going searching for it. Reece is a player that you just can't keep out of the game in that respect, so I'd be pretty happy to see him given another crack on the wing.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
he's making breaks
My only gripe here...is he? He appears to be being put into space to me. He's not really a power winger, he's just a winger who's big.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
he's making breaks
My only gripe here...is he? He appears to be being put into space to me. He's not really a power winger, he's just a winger who's big.
Unless he starts learning to link up or set a target to recycle, what's the point?
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
Upvote for the bold. But we will need to find a bench replacement too.
FC, BB and Reece.
Leaves us short of midfield cover.
I'm thinking LF.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
he's making breaks
My only gripe here...is he? He appears to be being put into space to me. He's not really a power winger, he's just a winger who's big.
He's knocked a couple of blokes out trying to tackle him this year! But yeah he probably hasn't busted through tackles like he did before he went to 7s, but he's got plenty of power and is not easy to tackle when he's got a head of steam up. He's also looking for work more than Jordan, hence him being in a position to take those passes and go through the gap at full speed.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
not easy to tackle when he's got a head of steam up
Just needs to stop his propensity to go to ground before being tackled and he'll be a lot more dangerous.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
DH was a 15 at 12.
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Just rewatched with more calm, and if Foster doen't put Jordie at 12 he's a fucking tool. Jordie has all the skills that Havili has, but is bigger and can actually hit the bloody line. Admitedly he needs to remember in tight to go lower than he would in backfield play, but he was bloody good.
Christie (Smith didn't run once, again), Mo'unga, CC (at least he's big & fast), Jordie, Ioane (prefer on the wing but this is where we are at), Reece, BB (he didn't fight for control bled 1)
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
@gt12 funnily enough Reece has played in the midfield for the ABs once and did so for Tasman and Saders.
Once we lost our two 2nd 5s our set ups at set piece were quite interesting. Beaudie was often in that 2nd 5 position in attack. Defensively Beaudie was at the back. In phase play there was a bit of mix and match between Richie, Jordie and Beaudie on who was at 1st receiver and who was in the secondary line for the next phase.
Wasn't Reece a 12 at school?
edit: mentioned above.How are the UJs tracking? Still injured?
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Just rewatched with more calm, and if Foster doen't put Jordie at 12 he's a fucking tool. Jordie has all the skills that Havili has, but is bigger and can actually hit the bloody line. Admitedly he needs to remember in tight to go lower than he would in backfield play, but he was bloody good.
Christie (Smith didn't run once, again), Mo'unga, CC (at least he's big & fast), Jordie, Ioane (prefer on the wing but this is where we are at), Reece, BB (he didn't fight for control bled 1)
According to ESPN, you're wrong.
Aaron Smith did indeed make a run.
One.
For zero metres.
Now wash your mouth out with soap and apologise
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Just rewatched with more calm, and if Foster doen't put Jordie at 12 he's a fucking tool. Jordie has all the skills that Havili has, but is bigger and can actually hit the bloody line. Admitedly he needs to remember in tight to go lower than he would in backfield play, but he was bloody good.
Christie (Smith didn't run once, again), Mo'unga, CC (at least he's big & fast), Jordie, Ioane (prefer on the wing but this is where we are at), Reece, BB (he didn't fight for control bled 1)
According to ESPN, you're wrong.
Aaron Smith did indeed make a run.
One.
For zero metres.
Now wash your mouth out with soap and apologise
Meh ESPN, all bollaux
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@Bovidae I agree. While Newell is a good fatty in the scrum not sure he has shown the goods in general.
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@voodoo smith gets on automatic pilot often. Perhaps enamored but his own pass. He has to mix it up otherwise we are predictable.
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@broughie which is why Christie helps make us look more dangerous when he comes on as he is a threat with the ball too, right now with Smith there, you know he will kick or pass, and you clearly see when a kick is being set up, so yeah...
Reckon Christie should be given a start this week.
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@taniwharugby I think there’s some truth to this.
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@taniwharugby You may be right, but I'd rather see Smith start, with Fakatava coming off the bench.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
@taniwharugby You may be right, but I'd rather see Smith start, with Fakatava coming off the bench.
lol shameless
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Frizell or Barrett? And pleased that Ardie is back
The other big decision looming for Foster and co-selectors Joe Schmidt and Jason Ryan will be in the loose forwards, where regular starters Ardie Savea and Shannon Frizell both return after missing the trip to Melbourne.
Savea is a certainty to step back in at No 8 where he has been so impressive this season. Less clear is whether Scott Barrett will remain at No 6 or Frizell will be restored there after performing well before picking up a rib injury in Hamilton.
Skipper Sam Cane will also have to be monitored after leaving the field in Melbourne in the first half with concussion symptoms. He later passed his HIA test, though will be further assessed when the team hits the training field in Auckland this week. Dalton Papalii looms as the most likely replacement, if required.
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my opinion is we will be a better team with 3 locks in the 23, and an actual loose forward at 6.
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Rugby News: 'Devastated for Quinn' - How Swain reacted to Bledisloe incident, Leota's injury shocker
Wallabies lock Darcy Swain was “devastated” over the impact his cleanout brain snap had on rival All Black Quinn Tupaea, according to teammate Allan Alaalatoa.
Leota out for the Aussies. RTS more than likely starts from the bench, with Jordie starting at 12.
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I dont mind Jordie getting more time in the midfield ,
Because with him, Jordan and Beaudie likely to be in the 23 , we have plenty of fullback cover ,
its nice to know he can slot back in there if required if this happens again
