Bledisloe 2
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I didn't think that there is any serious talk of him going beyond the RWC?
The sail is set with the coaching team for the RWC now and they need to see this through for better or worse.
Last night was an improvement in that we got the W in an error ridden performance. Lots of work ons and lessons to absorb. Focus will obviously now be on sorting out next week and especially the bench with shudder Ennor.
Play JB at 12, RI will be 13. RTS on the bench. I'd like to see Reece in for Clarke, but I reckon CC stays. Jordan stays on his wing and BB plays at 15. Despite being past his prime I felt like Beaudy was at the heart of some of the good stuff we did
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I didn't think that there is any serious talk of him going beyond the RWC?
The sail is set with the coaching team for the RWC now and they need to see this through for better or worse.
Last night was an improvement in that we got the W in an error ridden performance. Lots of work ons and lessons to absorb. Focus will obviously now be on sorting out next week and especially the bench with shudder Ennor.
Play JB at 12, RI will be 13. RTS on the bench. I'd like to see Reece in for Clarke, but I reckon CC stays. Jordan stays on his wing and BB plays at 15. Despite being past his prime I felt like Beaudy was at the heart of some of the good stuff we did
They may do this, but I am not sure it'll be successful. RM and BB haven't exactly clicked and I am not sure putting JB at 12 will help in that regard. I thought RM looked surplus last night after the ABs after BB.
If JB is played at 12 I would rather it be outside his brother with RM on the bench.
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@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
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@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Don't think JB at 12 is really an extra playmaker just a bigger body with a big boot.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
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Here’s our 10-15 for Bledisloe 2
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ABs by a thousand
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So with Cane failing the HIA on Thursday, is he out also?
Still a question mark over Ardie’s availability?
3x locks plus Papalii and Sotutu to start. Ioane and Jacobsen on the bench perhaps.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
So with Cane failing the HIA on Thursday, is he out also?
I read Cane wasn't tested at the ground but tested later last night and passed so it's up in the air.
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I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
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Papalii is not going to make it. He is consistently anonymous at this level. Pity.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
Papalii is not going to make it. He is consistently anonymous at this level. Pity.
Same with Fakatava, Vaai, Goodhue, Faingaanuku and Sotutu. Can them all.
Edit: something which would be interesting would be to see the progression of Cane at 24, looks like he debuted at 20 so I guess he was just into getting regular starts.
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@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
Maybe available. He had concussion some but passed the day one test (like sexton) so he could be available. There's another test later, but also ABs have been traditionally very conservative with head knocked. So I don't see cane playing even if he is available
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
So with Cane failing the HIA on Thursday, is he out also?
I read Cane wasn't tested at the ground but tested later last night and passed so it's up in the air.
I hope he's back. He was missed once he went off.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
Still a question mark over Ardie’s availability?
He'll be back. Foster made a comment that implied the baby had been born.
The easiest option is JB to 12 and BB to 15, i.e., the backline that played in the 2nd half. I also don't think that the RM-BB combo has worked that well.
Putting RTS at 12, in combination with Ioane, could also be looked at. Less disruption and you still have the aerial strength and big boot of JB at the back. BB to provide impact off the bench.
I think there may also be some tweaks in the reserve forwards like Ofa for Newell.
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@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
Still missing my point. I have no issue with JB being at 12 no matter how he plays. My issue is with RM at 10 if BB is at 15. Those two haven't worked out how to play well together.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crazy-Horse he's used to playing outside Morgan who is more like RM.
I was more concerned at the prospect of BB being at 15 with RM at 10. That has not worked and I suspect adding JB into the playmaking mix may complicate things too much.
Yeah I don't really see that JB would play more of a playmaking role than DH?
In Bled 1 he just seemed to do the basics reasonably well. Cart it up or pass outside. The one cross field kick he did was very good because the aussies were nowhere to be found
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Being selected in midfield for the ABs is almost like an invitation to guest of honour at a career-threatening-injury party.
So it depends who you want to get injured the least, I guess.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Not sure RTS is the answer.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Not sure RTS is the answer.
Has to be Jordie or Ennor. Unless Foster & Schmidt go left-field for someone like TUJ
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@canefan but shuffling players all around the backline and playing them out of position is?
I prefer my solution.
Remember we're down our four best 12s.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Not sure RTS is the answer.
Has to be Jordie or Ennor. Unless Foster & Schmidt go left-field for someone like TUJ
Ennor at 12?
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Not sure RTS is the answer.
Has to be Jordie or Ennor. Unless Foster & Schmidt go left-field for someone like TUJ
Ennor at 12?
Ugh
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@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Not sure RTS is the answer.
Has to be Jordie or Ennor. Unless Foster & Schmidt go left-field for someone like TUJ
Ennor at 12?
Jordie it has to be then. Has the most experience at 12. Eeyore on the bench.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Darren said in Bledisloe 2:
I heard, can't remember where though, that he will be available but DH will not.
Will have to be JB at 12, I don't see any other options
RTS? Straight swap rather than re jigging the backing like @Bovidae says
Not sure RTS is the answer.
Has to be Jordie or Ennor. Unless Foster & Schmidt go left-field for someone like TUJ
Ennor at 12?
Ugh
Not my suggestion. Clarifying @Victor-Meldrew 's post.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
I also want to see RTS play. We'd look like tools if he is the answer, but we never play him to find out.
But the other alternative isn't bad. Beauden Barrett is not a 10 playing at 15. He's a 15 who wants to play at 10. His ability to run from depth is astonishing -- the best part of his game -- and he almost never gets to do it from 10. Meanwhile his game management from 10 is extremely ordinary.
Jordie Barrett plays 12 regularly enough. It's hardly high risk (which is why I think Foster will go that way -- avoiding any risk at all seems to be his selection mantra).
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
In an ideal world, I'd agree. But RTS lacks experience in RU and and (over?) caution and sticking to known players seems to be a key selection driver for Foster/Ryan/Schmidt.
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@Chester-Draws said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
I also want to see RTS play. We'd look like tools if he is the answer, but we never play him to find out.
But the other alternative isn't bad. Beauden Barrett is not a 10 playing at 15. He's a 15 who wants to play at 10. His ability to run from depth is astonishing -- the best part of his game -- and he almost never gets to do it from 10. Meanwhile his game management from 10 is extremely ordinary.
Jordie Barrett plays 12 regularly enough. It's hardly high risk (which is why I think Foster will go that way -- avoiding any risk at all seems to be his selection mantra).
Just need to tell BB to play his game at 15 instead of complicating by talking about twin pivots
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JB 12, Reece 14, WJ 15?
Or just RTS at 12
I dont really want to see BB at 15
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I was hoping Sotutu was going to do well in Bled. 1 but unfortunately, he was very average. Savea will bring back some go forward and better defense in the wider fat boy channel where the Aussie big boys were targeting.
I have been going on about Clarke's rugby "intelligence" for a long time now. He really needs to work on positioning in defense and attack as well as creating for others. He will come right with experience but in the meantime, I think Reece is a better option. To be fair to Clarke though both he and Jordan are getting lost on defense at times so is it the player or the system? -
Chuck Perofeta at 15
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Starting JB at 12 is a safer bet than starting RTS at 12. I wouldn’t mind RTS on the bench to tear shit up with 20 mins to go.
I would start Reece on the right wing and Jordan at fullback. That man deserves a crack in his preferred position.
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If we start JB, there will be no 2nd 5 cover unless RTS is on the bench. But he needs time, not ‘make an impact’.
Itd start RTS, since Ennor is in the squad, he goes the bench with Barrett.
I’ve seen Reece cover center as well, so they could start him on the wing and bring Barrett and Jordan off the bench. However, I don’t like the risk of Rieko gets injured as I don’t really think Reece should be more than emergency cover (I.e., 3rd option).
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RTS at 12, rest of backline to stay the same. JB covers 12. Least disruption.
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@gt12 funnily enough Reece has played in the midfield for the ABs once and did so for Tasman and Saders.
Once we lost our two 2nd 5s our set ups at set piece were quite interesting. Beaudie was often in that 2nd 5 position in attack. Defensively Beaudie was at the back. In phase play there was a bit of mix and match between Richie, Jordie and Beaudie on who was at 1st receiver and who was in the secondary line for the next phase.
