Bledisloe 2
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Yeah, the back row got well beaten last week.
I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins, although given the lack of game time, that's to be expected. Papali' has a similar story to tell after Cane went off but I guess the same can apply. And as I've alluded to plenty of times Scott Barrett should never ever be picked at 6 again. The man's a great lock, our current best lock, but is in no way ahead of either of Ioane or Frizell at 6.
I'd pick Ioane, Ardie & Papali this weekend to start with Frizell on the bench (if he's available). For all of Ioane's detractors, he has consistently performed against Australia.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Second in dominant tackles on defence
I started laughing and found the offending article. The one where they call Ardie the "Samoan-born Hurricane". https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-cant-afford-to-lose-ardie-savea/
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins
Huh, really? I thought he had a decent game and showed why he's worth persevering with. Hit contact hard for a guy that's been out so long and showed a grind I didn't know he had. Plus those handling skills bring a whole lot of opportunity to those around him.
It's just a shame I immediately contracted a sniper to execute him, after he put in the grubber.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins
Huh, really? I thought he had a decent game and showed why he's worth persevering with. Hit contact hard for a guy that's been out so long and showed a grind I didn't know he had. Plus those handling skills bring a whole lot of opportunity to those around him.
It's just a shame I immediately contracted a sniper to execute him, after he put in the grubber.
He was part of a back row that got dominated, in my view.
I'm not saying to write him off. Fart from it.
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
Fart from it.
Nice. That might be a new TSF word replacement
Reported to the moderators.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
Finals mentality for the All Blacks
Knowing the Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship is on the line, the All Blacks are approaching Saturday's Eden Park Test against Australia with a finals rugby mentality.
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
Foster's ABs are normally happy with losing cos learnings and excitement for the next one. He says it all the time, I am not acutally joking, sadly
Umm
Yeah
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins
Huh, really? I thought he had a decent game and showed why he's worth persevering with. Hit contact hard for a guy that's been out so long and showed a grind I didn't know he had. Plus those handling skills bring a whole lot of opportunity to those around him.
It's just a shame I immediately contracted a sniper to execute him, after he put in the grubber.
He was part of a back row that got dominated, in my view.
I'm not saying to write him off. Fart from it.
I was far from disappointed is what I'm saying. He went better than I thought he would.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality
Finals mentality for the All Blacks
Knowing the Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship is on the line, the All Blacks are approaching Saturday's Eden Park Test against Australia with a finals rugby mentality.
What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?
I would assume finals mentally = low risk rugby so expect the forwards to have a good ding dong battle and the backs to not do any stupid stuff. Of course it will be the exact opposite and expect the Wobs to get at least one intercept break that may be a try.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins
Huh, really? I thought he had a decent game and showed why he's worth persevering with. Hit contact hard for a guy that's been out so long and showed a grind I didn't know he had. Plus those handling skills bring a whole lot of opportunity to those around him.
It's just a shame I immediately contracted a sniper to execute him, after he put in the grubber.
He was part of a back row that got dominated, in my view.
I'm not saying to write him off. Far from it.
I was far from disappointed is what I'm saying. He went better than I thought he would.
Thats fine. We don't need to agree on everything. I felt he was ineffective at ruck times, barely made the gain line & his decision to chip with players in support was awful. The fact that 49 people voted in the MOTM thread and nobody picked Sotutu at all is where I was coming from with my "we".
Basically, it was a huge drop off from Ardie.
Which I found disappointing as that Aussie back row was hardly scary. Decent, but nothing to be worried about. I'm happy to attribute most of that due to lack of game time btw.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
Second in dominant tackles on defence
I started laughing and found the offending article. The one where they call Ardie the "Samoan-born Hurricane". https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-cant-afford-to-lose-ardie-savea/
Damned poachers
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage geez, if you're not in the top 3 players, you're disappointing? Interesting take.
I think it's a fair thing to say when 15 of 23 players (including many non-starters) get votes in the MOTM poll that TSF is disappointed with those starters who didn't get any votes.
Thats my take.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage geez, if you're not in the top 3 players, you're disappointing? Interesting take.
I think it's a fair thing to say when 15 of 23 players (including many non-starters) get votes in the MOTM poll that TSF is disappointed with those starters who didn't get any votes.
Thats my take.
I think that's an extremely weird and wrong take. That's not what a MOTM poll is for. Especially when people throw votes in just because favourites or to fuck with things. You think Christie is deserving of a vote? All it does is give a good reflection of the top 3, not the disappointments. You want the DOTM poll.
My take is derived from the distinct lack of volume of posts regarding just how disappointing Sotutu was.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins
Huh, really? I thought he had a decent game and showed why he's worth persevering with. Hit contact hard for a guy that's been out so long and showed a grind I didn't know he had. Plus those handling skills bring a whole lot of opportunity to those around him.
It's just a shame I immediately contracted a sniper to execute him, after he put in the grubber.
He was part of a back row that got dominated, in my view.
I'm not saying to write him off. Far from it.
I was far from disappointed is what I'm saying. He went better than I thought he would.
Thats fine. We don't need to agree on everything. I felt he was ineffective at ruck times, barely made the gain line & his decision to chip with players in support was awful. The fact that 49 people voted in the MOTM thread and nobody picked Sotutu at all is where I was coming from with my "we".
Basically, it was a huge drop off from Ardie.
Which I found disappointing as that Aussie back row was hardly scary. Decent, but nothing to be worried about. I'm happy to attribute most of that due to lack of game time btw.
Valentini has been one of the standout loose forwards in the RC in my view. And he again showed it in Bledisloe 1. He was pretty good against the Poms also.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage geez, if you're not in the top 3 players, you're disappointing? Interesting take.
I think it's a fair thing to say when 15 of 23 players (including many non-starters) get votes in the MOTM poll that TSF is disappointed with those starters who didn't get any votes.
Thats my take.
I think that's an extremely weird and wrong take. That's not what a MOTM poll is for. Especially when people throw votes in just because favourites or to fuck with things. You think Christie is deserving of a vote? All it does is give a good reflection of the top 3, not the disappointments. You want the DOTM poll.
My take is derived from the distinct lack of volume of posts regarding just how disappointing Sotutu was.
As I stated above, we don't need to agree on everything. FWIW I think Sotutu would top the DOTM poll. Just my take, again, we don't need to agree.
I think Sotutu was disappointing, many others do as well. You don't.
We move on.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage geez, if you're not in the top 3 players, you're disappointing? Interesting take.
I think it's a fair thing to say when 15 of 23 players (including many non-starters) get votes in the MOTM poll that TSF is disappointed with those starters who didn't get any votes.
Thats my take.
I think that's an extremely weird and wrong take. That's not what a MOTM poll is for. Especially when people throw votes in just because favourites or to fuck with things. You think Christie is deserving of a vote? All it does is give a good reflection of the top 3, not the disappointments. You want the DOTM poll.
My take is derived from the distinct lack of volume of posts regarding just how disappointing Sotutu was.
As I stated above, we don't need to agree on everything.
I think Sotutu was disappointing, many others do as well. You don't.
We move on.
Yeah Sotutu was disappointing but I think he can be a lot better. I think a lot of people need to remember how hard it is to jump into that position when he’s had f all chances because the guy ahead of him is essentially our best player. He was rusty but he wasn’t horrendous, this is why Foster needs to find minutes for guys like Sotutu.
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@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 2:
@MajorRage geez, if you're not in the top 3 players, you're disappointing? Interesting take.
I think it's a fair thing to say when 15 of 23 players (including many non-starters) get votes in the MOTM poll that TSF is disappointed with those starters who didn't get any votes.
Thats my take.
I think that's an extremely weird and wrong take. That's not what a MOTM poll is for. Especially when people throw votes in just because favourites or to fuck with things. You think Christie is deserving of a vote? All it does is give a good reflection of the top 3, not the disappointments. You want the DOTM poll.
My take is derived from the distinct lack of volume of posts regarding just how disappointing Sotutu was.
As I stated above, we don't need to agree on everything.
I think Sotutu was disappointing, many others do as well. You don't.
We move on.
Yeah Sotutu was disappointing but I think he can be a lot better. I think a lot of people need to remember how hard it is to jump into that position when he’s had f all chances because the guy ahead of him is essentially our best player. He was rusty but he wasn’t horrendous, this is why Foster needs to find minutes for guys like Sotutu.
All points I made further up the thread!
Certainly not suggesting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
