Bledisloe 1
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@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
Was it Lomax who escaped a YC for the lift and slam?
I don't think it warranted yellow - past horizontal is penalty minimum but card is determined by landing on shoulder/neck/head.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@taniwharugby yeah that card on the canary yellow 9 was very rough!
Incidental contact at best, then S Barrett tripped over himself. Comedy gold!
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@taniwharugby yeah that card on the canary yellow 9 was very rough!
Incidental contact at best, then S Barrett tripped over himself. Comedy
goldcanary yellow!FIFY
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
Was it Lomax who escaped a YC for the lift and slam?
Yep. Then quickly hooked.
Looking at his action and Swain's action the impact of Swain's actions are far more serious.
But there was far more intent in Lomax's action IMHO
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@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
But there was far more intent in Lomax's action IMHO
er, you usually talk alot of sense, but that sir is utter nonsense! Swain was malicious, sole intention was to take his knee out.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
But there was far more intent in Lomax's action IMHO
er, you usually talk alot of sense, but that sir is utter nonsense! Swain was malicious, sole intention was to take his knee out.
Swain wasn't even looking
He just grabbed what was available to him - on the second attempt - and attempted & succeeded in driving the player off his feet
Happens at nearly every breakdown
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@Damo said in Bledisloe 1:
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
It’s a scrum not free kick. Law 20 “taking a penalty or free kick”
This literally comes from the World Rugby website (Law 9.7.d)!
Have you read law 20? The section I referred to?
A penalty or free-kick must be taken without delay.
Sanction: scrum.
Interesting.
I had thought ref was wrong as timewastimg is a free kick. Arguably he was right. I suggest it makes no difference as we would have taken a scrum anyway.
I feel sure it was bent arm - did he actually give a penalty?
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On the Clarke defence - if he's being told to "shoot" or if he's getting lost - either way it needs to be addressed. If he's dithering and then shooting, he's timing it poorly and not committing. If he's drifting in and then rushing up because he's identified wrong, he needs to stop drifting in.
Take away Sotutu's mind-numbing kick and I thought he had a really good game, especially for a guy sitting in the stands for months on end. He was busy as and definitely added something different, accuracy getting the ball away is something he could teach Rieko.
I thought de Groot was busy as, as well - I felt like I saw him a lot in the first 20-30 minutes, carting it up and hitting blokes/breakdowns on defence - just not as much impact as in previous games.
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
But there was far more intent in Lomax's action IMHO
er, you usually talk alot of sense, but that sir is utter nonsense! Swain was malicious, sole intention was to take his knee out.
No it wasn't....but I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not.
Lomax's intent was to lift above the horizontal, not sure if it was his action to right the aussie or just plain luck that he only ended up landing on his side, because he had begun his descent with his shoulders facing the turf.
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On the "it's never happened before " line of thought on the Foley penalty time wasting. I'll admit I cant remember seeing it before. But for 90% of my time watching this sport there was no 10 to 20 seconds of 'sacking celebration ' occurring, and then team huddles before kicks. Etc. This is new territory. I'm actually not against the NFL sacking celebration thingy coming into the game, it's fine. The huddle can piss off though.
I have however seen plenty of these reversals for delaying scrum feeds, delaying lineout throws (e.g. the Itoje scream didnt come from nowhere..) and delayed 22 dropouts when players pass it around to each other looking for space to take a 'quick' one.
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe 1:
On the "it's never happened before " line of thought on the Foley penalty time wasting.
I think the easy response to that is as someone else raised earlier (maybe @crucial) - I've never seen the kicker weirdly imitate a mime before.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
Something else that occurred to me was that if the situation last night was reversed this board would be piling full bore onto Mounga and Foster for being dumb in the act and not preparing players better. Instead (most) Aussies are piling onto the ref.
Some of that will come from the reaction of the Aussie comma team who tried to convince their audience that the ref was totally at fault.There would still be enough people complaining about the referee, for sure, me among them. But if you look at it from a neutral perspective, there's no way one could not blame Foley for that.
What if Foley waited another 30 seconds? Had the ref blown the scrum then, would that have been OK? They would still be crying foul. Foley had more than enough time and simply stuffed it. If his forwards wouldn't come out of a huddle and he felt unsure about that, he can lay some blame their way, but it wasn't the referee's fault. He gave three warnings. -
@Tordah said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
Something else that occurred to me was that if the situation last night was reversed this board would be piling full bore onto Mounga and Foster for being dumb in the act and not preparing players better. Instead (most) Aussies are piling onto the ref.
Some of that will come from the reaction of the Aussie comma team who tried to convince their audience that the ref was totally at fault.There would still be enough people complaining about the referee, for sure, me among them. But if you look at it from a neutral perspective, there's no way one could not blame Foley for that.
What if Foley waited another 30 seconds? Had the ref blown the scrum then, would that have been OK? They would still be crying foul. Foley had more than enough time and simply stuffed it. If his forwards wouldn't come out of a huddle and he felt unsure about that, he can lay some blame their way, but it wasn't the referee's fault. He gave three warnings.The thing which made it obvious it was Foley's fault was three player next to him screaming at him to kick. Foley may have been just clueless, or he may have been time wasting. Either way, his fault - and his team mate knew it
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Ironically the only ever time I can recall something similar occured with another Foley (Michael) against the Poms in the late 90s. Penalty, kicked for touch right next to line. But he took so long to throw the ball in that England were awarded a scrum for timewasting.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
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@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
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On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
Good question.
Nah - I figured we'd lost it, and Foley was just ensuring it by what every fluffybunny does in that same situation.BUT - I'd like to see that assumption change, and to see calls like that become standard.
