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@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
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@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.If so I get what you are saying.
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@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
Possibly true, but if so they are lying when they publicly say otherwise.
My guess. They revert to type under pressure. Every team now sees that if you pressure the ABs hard they will make errors that keep you in the game.
Yeah no doubt, not trusting the systems as well is why they revert back if something is not working you revert back under pressure what you know which normally is want you are doing at training.
when you come into environments that are not winning the training is what you need to break down first, training the wrong way means you play the wrong way.
If training is replicating the pressure on the field it is easier to stay in the zone under pressure in the game.
It tells me the Ab's are not confident in their systems on and off the field because it is not working.
Logical thing then is to revert back to what you know.But hang on, isn't the argument that when they changed by playing deeper and kicking smarter it worked? They have seen success in SA then changed so I don't get your logic
My question is why from the start of the Argentine test change that by standing too flat, a complete reversal.
Was that a Schmidt thing ?someone did that.
If so it’s what I am saying is we have success with a certain depth and pattern then all of sudden from the first minute the next week it’s completely different.
That is something you do not see in sports teams someone didn’t trust something there, or what is the logic in such a dramatic change from the start of the game.
Not pressure as it was from the start of the game.
It was the start up tactic from minute 1.If so I get what you are saying.
Do we have a player coach disconnection and it’s getting worse.
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@Chris I only quickly put the highlights on so aren't completely sure but my recollection of backs alignment wasn't the same as yours.
I could see lots of flat forwards in the line (like Ireland do) but the backs were running from deep. Jordie came from well back to hit a gap in Clarke's try and both Havili and Reiko were deep.
I think Havili comes up flat as part of the plan but he comes outside in to hold some of the drift (or take advantage if they do).
I'm happy to be proved wrong and will see if I can find the full replay but I'm not seeing this flatness in the first half so far. -
@Chris said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
We don't know if that was the coaches or the players though. Post game comments implied that it was the players that didn't hold depth and were over eager.
if you tell the players to do one thing, and they do another, and then lose, repeatedly, you drop them.
Maybe the players are not listening because they do not trust or believe in the messages being sent to them.
then you drop them. be in fucking charge
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@Crucial our backs were only deep for the Clarke try as it came from an Argentinian line out. Amazing what players like Rieko and Jordie can do with a yard of space eh.
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@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
he takes the outside break for that try...
i don't think he's hopeless, i think he's hugely talented but not a great centre right now, and at present he is being totally wasted. -
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
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@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
33, 34 & 32 respectively so old but....
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@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
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@MN5 said in All Black backline:
@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
How spoiled we were to have almost never injured Snake and Nonu
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@canefan said in All Black backline:
@MN5 said in All Black backline:
@cgrant said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
- Vaai
- Grace
- Fakatava / Roigard / Hotham / Ratima / Roe?
- Dmac
- RTS
No way the ABs would win the 2027 RWC with this team. How old will be Savea, Barrett or ALB ? 2027 is in a very long time and there will be new young players who are not known yet or others who are known but currently to young to be under the radar (Springer, Godfrey, Kemara, Cashmore, Hotham, Lakai, Sititi, Holland, Mau, Bell ...).
By then he could well and truly be the next Jack Goodhue who was the next Charlie Ngatai……exciting times !
How spoiled we were to have almost never injured Snake and Nonu
The fern was a happier place then. Much less grumpiness
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@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
I could understand this argument if we had both ALB and Goodhue fit and in form and therefore had 13 options that had spent years developing their craft and were highly specialised in their position. However, neither of them are fit and now and as a combo they haven't been fit for like 3 years.
Simply put, RI is easily our best available 13 and very likely our best performing backline player. He has some rough edges, but he's developing his game each week and turning into a very fine centre. Sure, maybe he looks to back himself too often, but given his talent and athleticism - and to use the same shit arguments that get lots of players a free pass - it would not surprise me if that's what he has been instructed to do. Indeed, given that playing him at 13 is about the only innovation Fozzie has against the rush defence, it stands to reason that this is what he has been instructed to do.
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@Nepia said in All Black backline:
@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
The bolded bit - Clarke's try was created by Rieko holding 2 defenders and putting Jordie through the gap. I don't think you realise how much he's developed at 13, he's been leading the way in try assists for the Blues (and probably SR but I'm too lazy to look it up)
The problem with Rieko isn't that he can't do all the things you talk about, it's that he gets the ball and defender at the same because because of our braindead flat & wide formation.
At Ellis Park our backline looked shit hot despite RM and DH having erratic games because we stood deeper and gave players like Rieko a chance to run the ball.
@mariner4life is right when he says it doesn't actually matter who we pick if we continue with that dumb flat formation on attack.
Rieko doesn't tend to throw hospital passes to his wingers after getting that tight ball and instead will take the tackle. I've seen people whinge that he doesn't throw these passes.
@Steve said in All Black backline:
If Rieko lost his pace he would clearly be a woeful centre. There is no nuance to his game. No sleight of hand.
You're responding to a post describing a piece of sleight of hand from him than lead to a try.
one swallow doesn't make a summer.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
For all the talk of Goodhue being too slow, how many times has he actually been skinned on the outside? Ioane on the other hand contributes to loads of defensive misalignments and miscommunications, and that costs territory and tries regularly. He's an excellent tackler, and his speed gets him out of trouble a lot, but he's a big contributor to our poor defensive system. He's also one of the too many players we have who contribute multiple turnovers to the opposition every game. And on attack he blows tries by ignoring support, runs his outsides out of space, and has slow hands.
He's a great runner ball in hand, sensational in fact. Wing.Doesn't really matter how much better Goodhue is anyway though, because he's forever injured.
i couldn't tell you....mainly because i cant remember the last time he played for the AB's...starting to wonder if he's just a myth
He did seem to be a myth in the making when Goodhue got his 19 caps largely through injuries to Crotty/ALB/SBW/Laumape/etc on the back of seemingly being unbreakable when every other 12/13 was struggling to last a single game.
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@junior said in All Black backline:
@reprobate said in All Black backline:
Rieko still runs like a winger. His first thought is evading the tackle himself rather than holding the space and putting someone into it. He runs his outsides out of space looking for the outside break. His passing isn't all that accurate, and when quick hands are called for, he often doesn't have them. We aren't blessed with a whole lot of options right now, but it is still a contrast from Goodhue or even Tupaea or Nankivell.
He's got massive strengths, and the upside of all that pace is very tempting if he can continue to improve the other aspects. He's also got big weaknesses in defence and just general error rate.
The basic problem is not the player, it's that we'll never see him at his best in this disfunctional team pattern: we don't use his pace or give him space, so all we are left with is poor defensive communication and a couple of turnovers per game.
I could understand this argument if we had both ALB and Goodhue fit and in form and therefore had 13 options that had spent years developing their craft and were highly specialised in their position. However, neither of them are fit and now and as a combo they haven't been fit for like 3 years.
Simply put, RI is easily our best available 13 and very likely our best performing backline player. He has some rough edges, but he's developing his game each week and turning into a very fine centre. Sure, maybe he looks to back himself too often, but given his talent and athleticism - and to use the same shit arguments that get lots of players a free pass - it would not surprise me if that's what he has been instructed to do. Indeed, given that playing him at 13 is about the only innovation Fozzie has against the rush defence, it stands to reason that this is what he has been instructed to do.
My recollection was that Crusaders had Havili/Goodhue/Ennor/Crotty/Fainga'anuku and the All Blacks had CrottyALB as their preferred 13s, so with SBW looking suspect, having Ritchie/Goodhue play 10/12 looked like a good option...
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@No-Quarter said in All Black backline:
@Crucial our backs were only deep for the Clarke try as it came from an Argentinian line out. Amazing what players like Rieko and Jordie can do with a yard of space eh.
I had a chance this morning to run through the game and this talk of the problems from the backs being too flat has no evidence to back it up.
I can understand the perception from memory but it is all forwards that are in the flat alignment getting in the way of the backs.
Our backs had little chance to try running from deep as there were only 4 scrums in the first 65 minutes and our lineouts send a pre-arranged pod out.
It is correct that when the backs got a chance they used it (the lineout win off Arg ball) but even that had forwards in the front line with the backs deep.
There was one occasion when we tried to go wide from within our half and a group of two backs and one forward got well ahead of themselves out wide and made a hash.
There was another (again from in our half) where the back used a deep alignment and ran onto the ball but no one fixed a defender and halted the drift. Ioane was easy drifted onto and then made a bad decision trying to release the ball off the ground.
The attack pattern looks to be pods of forwards gaining ground until there was an opportunity to release to the backs. Occasionally Havili comes into the line to reset if two pods have gone to ground in quick succession.
It was actually working quite well if you look solely at metres gained and line breaks/bends.
We had two major problems though (which then escalated into poor decisions later). One was that we were not benefiting much from the ground made because of either our own errors or attacking penalties (we were stiffed by that obstruction at the lineout call, that could have changed the shape of the game). This, combined with handing kickable penalties to ARG lead to us taking shots at goal and the scoreboard being tight.
The team stuck to the attack pattern quite well and constantly gained ground but circumstances and small errors kept things tight. The fumble from the kickoff by Scooter and Arg try was the killer that then ramped up the pressure big time and Arg started tackling like demons with a much more spread line defence once they had the lead.
This was the time when running from our own half needed to be put away. Trouble was that our kicking game when tried was terrible. Jordan kicked down the tramlines and chased at a jog. Mounga kicked straight to the fullback and put us into a kicking duel that we lost. Jordie ran out of his 22 then kicked the ball to the fullback covering the wing. It was shite.
In contrast Argentina kicked high putting the ball in front of the forwards with enough time for the kicker to run forward and challenge/tackle and put them onside. One excellent high ball take was turned over in a flash because the forwards were waiting right where the catcher came down.
From then on the kicks were put away and the awful panicked runs took over.
The bounce of the ball didn't go our way a lot. We were by far the better team with a better plan that was working right up to the point of a penalty for the first two thirds of the game. Once we gave them hope through a mistake though the Dravid defence went up and we had no answer or execution to deal with it. -
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
2027 world cup team
- Norris
- Taukeiaho
- Newell
- S. Barrett
- Vaai
- Savea
- Papalii
- Sotutu
- Christie
- Mounga
- Reiko
- Tupaea
- ALB
- Jordan
- Jordie
Bench
- Aumua / Thompson
- De Groot
- Lomax
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@bayimports said in All Black backline:
@mariner4life said in All Black backline:
As far as i can see (and this is qualified by the fact i'm definitely a forward guy) our backline looks like poos because
we are wedded to being as flat as fuck. from 10 out
We don't have a game organiser at 10
We don't have an anything at 12
We are wedded to not only being flat, but very wide, meaning our wings are stationed on the touchline.
We don't know how to bring our outside backs in to play.I don't think the personnel are as good as the coaches seem to. And i think our entire formation fucking sucks.
If you gave Ioane, Jordan, Clarke and even Jordie just a little more depth and a little more time, they are going to give defences kittens. But we give them nothing.
SA Game 2 we looked shit hot out wider because of a noticable increase in our starting depth. R Ioane was over the gain line constantly, because he got the ball at pace with a bit more than a microsecond before the defender arrived.Who we pick means far less than where they start each phase from IMO.
I actually agree with this, but I will also add couple of points that need to ring true for success. Depth only works when you have backs or forwards to run on to it and you also need players to straighten to create gaps.
In most cases we have the players to do this, but often our players run others out of room as you mention later slower forwards clog the gaps. Reiko is a classic example of a guy who can run his winger out of space if you're selective, but I'm not going to criticize him too much here because I have also felt on a lot of those occasions the ball he has received has also not been ideal. Look at where he took the ball from SA 2 versus AR 1. This supports the theory that the problems stem more from 9/10/12.
If you look at the structure introduced last week, when setting for multiple phases we actually created momentum in the first 40 with player makers split both sides or 1/3/3/1 formations ready to use from depth out the back. Did we use it? No. Nada.
Foster was quite clear the players operated with more in eyes up mode, rather than followed strategy. In my mind Schmidt and Foster had plans for a territory game and with the new structure planned and to play from depth at the right end of the field. However we executed poorly again.
There is a clear leadership problem on the field which we have all seen (and it could be as simple as players taking it upon themselves to do something different rather than follow a script to be a savior) , confidence and still just not being good at the basics. Keeping it focused on the backs though, I don't think the captain is making backline decisions which also shows leadership from our 9/10/12 needs to improve as well.
Given the new structure is likely here to stay for (a while at least), I would certainly prefer a 12 that could fit style, but be able to adapt to flat and depth. This also means forwards need to focus on their core duties and clean out consistently, jackal where possible etc
Either way executing any strategy means players needing to follow that on the field
Well said. In last 20 one of the best tactical variations was a chip by Jordie which caused Pumas a lot of trouble. But then forgotten in last 15?
