All Blacks v Pumas 1
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Some quite amazing stats hereabout just how rare it is in the modern game for the ABs to field the same starting side twice in a row.
- first time the same group of players have been named to run out wearing Nos 1 to 15 in two consecutive All Blacks tests since the second test against France at Sky Stadium in Wellington in June 2018 – 50 matches ago.
- third time a starting XV has been repeated since 2012 – 133 matches ago (Hansen era)
- seventh time one has been repeated since 2004 – 236 matches ago (Henry era)
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@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space.
It also helps having a 10 in Mo'unga who sees space and passes it......
I'm still wondering about that - Beauden has been standing super flat which cuts down his ability to see the space wider as he's under pressure from the get go. It also nullifies his running game. Just really bad tactics that utilises none of this strengths - surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord? Or probably more likely he was being told to stand flat as part if the teams tactics, which changed in that Ellis Park test along with the different tactics from the forwards.
Yeah look, obviously I hold a candle for BB, but it's not as if RM has only just now been given a shot. He started a heap of tests at 10 during the previous 3 years. Ultimately if he's better then sweet, but it's ridiculous to make claims based on one performance when the team (and particularly the forwards) had clearly changed things up and was playing simpler and much smarter rugby.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Frizell played well, especially with his link game, but I'm not convinced by his defence. He gave away two maul penalties and made no impact there.
I agree, Frizell was very effective in that link work.
On the defensive side, you can see why there was an attraction to play Scooter at 6 because he’s pretty solid in the maul defence plus the LO body. But he doesn’t really have the link game, he’s more just carry wide of the ruck to draw in defenders.
I think if Ioane can change his body height in ball carrying he would be far more effective.
As long as he gets some tips from Ardie he’ll go ok.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
And Will(?).
Cane does look like he's inwards whistling, 'check out that sweet butt, taut like a tiger'
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
And Will(?).
Cane does look like he's inwards whistling, 'check out that sweet butt, taut like a tiger'
You owe me a new phone Mate 😅.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
Would be interesting wouldn’t it?
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing. -
@Crucial and i'll put my hand up as saying it as much as anyone, i guess its different when you're winning, feels like we're just bloodying some depth...do the same thing after a loss or even just a "bad" win and its a knee jerk reaction or guesswork
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
Reckon it would be reasonably normal, and I would think most reasons are injuries.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
Except fot Will Jordan in the foreground, hope you take more attention of games mate!!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
Except fot Will Jordan in the foreground, hope you take more attention of games mate!!
Depends how pissed I am or if I’m even watching in the first place
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
Well apart from Luke Jacobson and Hoskin Sotutu both starting at 8 last year, and Dmac playing at 15 at least once?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial probably hardly surprising to not field the same side often as there'd not be often there'd not be an injury from the fame before.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Yeah, I agree. The actual numbers surprised me though.
Pretty sure that if we had to guess the “how often” numbers on here we wouldn’t have hit so low. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Also, anything less than absolutely stuffing the Argies at home is completely unacceptable.
The Pumas are no longer a push-over, home or away. So a good solid win which builds on Ellis Park will be fine for me.
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@Daffy-Jaffy alot to like about him!
Seems a pretty down to earth 'kiwi bloke', not too overawed or enthused by how things have gone so far, also liked how he said we had taken a couple of small steps forward. and knows there is still work to do.
Saw posts elsewhere here re his relationship with Razor and how this may have strained that, I dont doubt it was pretty tough for him, but ultimately he has his own path, I expect he wanted it to follow with Razor but that wasnt to be, so he is forging ahead down his own path.
