All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord?
Well it was completely different from the regular NZ depth he stood at for the Blues. It wasn't just his depth, it was the alignment further out too
I'm hoping it was an innovation from Mooar and has disappeared with his job
To me that had Fozzie’s fingerprints all over it and is what we saw at the Chiefs and Waikato.
My concern with Beaudie’s form is the lack of variation and his kicking. For me that doesn’t have much to do with tactics or gameplan (or lack of). He’s our second most experienced back in the squad, so has seen it all and has been very effective in reading the defence. Even his Blues form this year was very up and down in my view.
He’s one of my favourite rugby players, so it’s hard seeing him not being as effective or at the very least play to unleash our outsides.
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The all blacks have been playing a simple game plan, I'm surprised to see people talking about it being complicated. Our plan is to stay flat and use our 'superior skills' to get around the rush defence. It really is pretty much the same since a fair way back. And it doesn't work anymore. It's not that Beaudy wants to be there, it was the game plan. And finally the penny had dropped with foster that what won the 15 cup doesn't work now.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
My concern with Beaudie’s form is the lack of variation and his kicking.
You'd think he would have improved these aspects of his game by now.
The fact that he has rocket shoes has allowed him not to focus on it as much.
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Some quite amazing stats hereabout just how rare it is in the modern game for the ABs to field the same starting side twice in a row.
- first time the same group of players have been named to run out wearing Nos 1 to 15 in two consecutive All Blacks tests since the second test against France at Sky Stadium in Wellington in June 2018 – 50 matches ago.
- third time a starting XV has been repeated since 2012 – 133 matches ago (Hansen era)
- seventh time one has been repeated since 2004 – 236 matches ago (Henry era)
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@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space.
It also helps having a 10 in Mo'unga who sees space and passes it......
I'm still wondering about that - Beauden has been standing super flat which cuts down his ability to see the space wider as he's under pressure from the get go. It also nullifies his running game. Just really bad tactics that utilises none of this strengths - surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord? Or probably more likely he was being told to stand flat as part if the teams tactics, which changed in that Ellis Park test along with the different tactics from the forwards.
Yeah look, obviously I hold a candle for BB, but it's not as if RM has only just now been given a shot. He started a heap of tests at 10 during the previous 3 years. Ultimately if he's better then sweet, but it's ridiculous to make claims based on one performance when the team (and particularly the forwards) had clearly changed things up and was playing simpler and much smarter rugby.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Frizell played well, especially with his link game, but I'm not convinced by his defence. He gave away two maul penalties and made no impact there.
I agree, Frizell was very effective in that link work.
On the defensive side, you can see why there was an attraction to play Scooter at 6 because he’s pretty solid in the maul defence plus the LO body. But he doesn’t really have the link game, he’s more just carry wide of the ruck to draw in defenders.
I think if Ioane can change his body height in ball carrying he would be far more effective.
As long as he gets some tips from Ardie he’ll go ok.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
And Will(?).
Cane does look like he's inwards whistling, 'check out that sweet butt, taut like a tiger'
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
And Will(?).
Cane does look like he's inwards whistling, 'check out that sweet butt, taut like a tiger'
You owe me a new phone Mate 😅.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
Would be interesting wouldn’t it?
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing. -
@Crucial and i'll put my hand up as saying it as much as anyone, i guess its different when you're winning, feels like we're just bloodying some depth...do the same thing after a loss or even just a "bad" win and its a knee jerk reaction or guesswork
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
Reckon it would be reasonably normal, and I would think most reasons are injuries.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
Except fot Will Jordan in the foreground, hope you take more attention of games mate!!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
Except fot Will Jordan in the foreground, hope you take more attention of games mate!!
Depends how pissed I am or if I’m even watching in the first place
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
Well apart from Luke Jacobson and Hoskin Sotutu both starting at 8 last year, and Dmac playing at 15 at least once?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial probably hardly surprising to not field the same side often as there'd not be often there'd not be an injury from the fame before.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Yeah, I agree. The actual numbers surprised me though.
Pretty sure that if we had to guess the “how often” numbers on here we wouldn’t have hit so low.
