All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@nzzp yep, I expect any other player slotted in at 6 in that match would have looked good; Akira, Jacobson, Barrett.
The tight 5 working well, which includes our props doing some of the carrying and cleaning helps our locks massively, we know SW has a huge motor, but the load he has shouldered the past couple of seasons has been massive.
But the continuity of the starting 15 is a boost too, allows combos to develop, something we havent done much recently either.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 calling Justin a knobhead is worse than punching a woman. Got it.
Calm down Kirwan. Just having a Friday laugh.
Frizell sounds like an absolute arsehole for what he did.
Me too. Frank said it was quiet, trying to help out.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 calling Justin a knobhead is worse than punching a woman. Got it.
Calm down Kirwan. Just having a Friday laugh.
Frizell sounds like an absolute arsehole for what he did.
Me too. Frank said it was quiet, trying to help out.
I woulda thought saying “commentary legend” made it obvious !
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Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
Will be inetersting to see how good kicking is this week without the altitude I think Kirwan.
But I will say I agree wholeheartedly, the forwards were the difference last week, though to be fair I not sure if Akira is as effective as Frizell at running in close to pack, although he did it a couple of times when he came on. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
Will be inetersting to see how good kicking is this week without the altitude I think Kirwan.
But I will say I agree wholeheartedly, the forwards were the difference last week, though to be fair I not sure if Akira is as effective as Frizell at running in close to pack, although he did it a couple of times when he came on.I'd counter with the try he scored against Ireland. Close in, went through four players.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@chimoaus isn’t it interesting that some players didn’t get game time off the bench. Not sure what the point of giving Mathewson 3 minutes at the end achieved…
Yeah, the Aussies only used 3 of their 7 subs. Their prop and hooker played 80 minutes.
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Yeah Frizell's performance is being overhyped. I guess compared to his previous 20 odd truly awful appearances it was a big step up, but still far below the best Akira has shown in black. As already said, the tactics of the forwards under Ryan was the big change from previous tests. The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space. Rugby is a pretty simple game, and I'm hopeful Ryan and Schmidt are helping simplify things across the park, whereas the previous coaches were trying a gameplan that was too complicated and putting our players under pressure trying to implement it.
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Also, anything less than absolutely stuffing the Argies at home is completely unacceptable. I'm still really dirty about our first ever loss to them, that was unforgivable shit, Foster is the luckiest man alive to still be in charge after that.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space.
It also helps having a 10 in Mo'unga who sees space and passes it......
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space.
It also helps having a 10 in Mo'unga who sees space and passes it......
I'm still wondering about that - Beauden has been standing super flat which cuts down his ability to see the space wider as he's under pressure from the get go. It also nullifies his running game. Just really bad tactics that utilises none of this strengths - surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord? Or probably more likely he was being told to stand flat as part if the teams tactics, which changed in that Ellis Park test along with the different tactics from the forwards.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Beauden has been standing super flat which cuts down his ability to see the space wider as he's under pressure from the get go. It also nullifies his running game.
especially when the oppositon is using an effective rush defence.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space.
It also helps having a 10 in Mo'unga who sees space and passes it......
I'm still wondering about that - Beauden has been standing super flat which cuts down his ability to see the space wider as he's under pressure from the get go. It also nullifies his running game. Just really bad tactics that utilises none of this strengths - surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord? Or probably more likely he was being told to stand flat as part if the teams tactics, which changed in that Ellis Park test along with the different tactics from the forwards.
That can also stem from the work of the forwards. At the speed that test teams need to play there would have to be a fair bit of anticipation. If the ball presentation is a little bit slow, that delays the clearance which has the first receiver a bit ahead of where they want to be, under pressure with the supporting backs too flat and also under pressure.
Forwards love to claim that they decide if the game is won and backs by how much. They need to own their part in the backs not operating well. (which I think they did) -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord?
Well it was completely different from the regular NZ depth he stood at for the Blues. It wasn't just his depth, it was the alignment further out too
I'm hoping it was an innovation from Mooar and has disappeared with his job
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The other thing that stood out to me was our backs playing with more depth allowing players like Rieko to thrive with that extra yard of space.
It also helps having a 10 in Mo'unga who sees space and passes it......
I'm still wondering about that - Beauden has been standing super flat which cuts down his ability to see the space wider as he's under pressure from the get go. It also nullifies his running game. Just really bad tactics that utilises none of this strengths - surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord? Or probably more likely he was being told to stand flat as part if the teams tactics, which changed in that Ellis Park test along with the different tactics from the forwards.
That can also stem from the work of the forwards. At the speed that test teams need to play there would have to be a fair bit of anticipation. If the ball presentation is a little bit slow, that delays the clearance which has the first receiver a bit ahead of where they want to be, under pressure with the supporting backs too flat and also under pressure.
Forwards love to claim that they decide if the game is won and backs by how much. They need to own their part in the backs not operating well. (which I think they did)Exactly Crucial, when you set a backline, and forwards give you the ball a couple of yards further up the field, generally you have then got more depth, and the biggest also is opposition can't operate a rush defence because they are retrteating to keep onside.
Lol well how I see it, real believer rugby is a lot easier on front foor ball. -
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Frizell played well, especially with his link game, but I'm not convinced by his defence. He gave away two maul penalties and made no impact there.
I agree, Frizell was very effective in that link work.
On the defensive side, you can see why there was an attraction to play Scooter at 6 because he’s pretty solid in the maul defence plus the LO body. But he doesn’t really have the link game, he’s more just carry wide of the ruck to draw in defenders.
I think if Ioane can change his body height in ball carrying he would be far more effective.
