All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
If he's on our side, and he throws it straight then it's still not straight though - as it's supposed to go straight down the middle of the lineout. (Or did I just miss the joke here?)
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
Did they replay it? I was too busy shouting at the useless fuck and making a fridge visit
I did, expecting it to drift. Mind you it looked as though Taylor wasn't standing in the middle of two teams.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
If he's on our side, and he throws it straight then it's still not straight though - as it's supposed to go straight down the middle of the lineout. (Or did I just miss the joke here?)
Sad to say, no joke. Isn't hooker meant to stay on mark and throw straight?
In which case so long as ABs aligned half a metre from mark it's a legal throw, even if Pumas are more than half a metre away. And vice versa.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
If he's on our side, and he throws it straight then it's still not straight though - as it's supposed to go straight down the middle of the lineout. (Or did I just miss the joke here?)
Sad to say, no joke. Isn't hooker meant to stay on mark and throw straight?
In which case so long as ABs aligned half a metre from mark it's a legal throw, even if Pumas are more than half a metre away. And vice versa.
Yep. The ref bottled it because if there was a problem with where the ABs lineup had set up he should’ve dealt with the gap before the throw.
And if Taylor wasn’t on the mark the Touchie can tell him to move. Nothing from the Touchie.
Taylor throws straight and because it went to the ABs, ref said it wasn’t straight.
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@ACT-Crusader on another day, maybe the ref does that. But really, is it too much to expect for our guys to set a line out properly?
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Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader on another day, maybe the ref does that. But really, is it too much to expect for our guys to set a line out properly?
But you play the ref....
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
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@reprobate Fox is still dirty on the hooker that had his foot over the line...
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
So is throwing in straight?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
We lost three lineouts close in.
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Lifters called for blocking. Can't be arsed checking the laws, but can't ever remember seeing that called;
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Overthrow to back. That one's all Taylor;
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Not 'straight'. That was marginal to say the least.
The real issue is that with such an inexperienced and erratic ref anything other than to the front was a risk. Meaning at 18-25 taking the three looms large, even if Justin Marshall would say its not in our DNA.
And, like Cardiff 2007, a droppie would have been a great variation to break Pumas away from their two in ruck and twelve across the field defence.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
So is throwing in straight?
Short one to Mantera was as straight as a dog's hind leg?
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
And, like Cardiff 2007, a droppie would have been a great variation to break Pumas away from their two in ruck and twelve across the field defence.
Learned nothing in 15 years
That's tragic
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
And, like Cardiff 2007, a droppie would have been a great variation to break Pumas away from their two in ruck and twelve across the field defence.
Learned nothing in 15 years
That's tragic
Perhaps more tragic is forgetting what we learned extremely painfully?!
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
Problem maybe Kiwi refs letting them get away with such for years?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
If he's on our side, and he throws it straight then it's still not straight though - as it's supposed to go straight down the middle of the lineout. (Or did I just miss the joke here?)
Sad to say, no joke. Isn't hooker meant to stay on mark and throw straight?
In which case so long as ABs aligned half a metre from mark it's a legal throw, even if Pumas are more than half a metre away. And vice versa.
Yep. The ref bottled it because if there was a problem with where the ABs lineup had set up he should’ve dealt with the gap before the throw.
And if Taylor wasn’t on the mark the Touchie can tell him to move. Nothing from the Touchie.
Taylor throws straight and because it went to the ABs, ref said it wasn’t straight.
Its not up to refs to tell player where to stand. They often do so, but they are not obliged to do it.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
BTW... am contemplating staying off the Fern for a few days.
I know what we're all thinking...
Will mark all as inread about Tuesday.
So not disagreeing with you, doesn't mean I agree with you ... just means I haven't read you ...
So ... anyone got an opinion on the coach?
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Taylor was a big part of it, but the whole line out went to pot late on, which doesn't reflect well on any of the leaders in the pack. Watch how much the Argies closed the gap in those key lineouts to put extra pressure on Taylor to get his throw inch perfect and timed right. Whitelock or Scooter - or even Taylor himself - should have pressed the pause button and called for the gap if only just as a bit of a release valve for Taylor.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
You've overreached there, we are talking about one incident. Doesn't' excuse some of the other poor stuff he did out there (and some good also). He has to stay on the mark that is hooker basics 101
And, like Cardiff 2007, a droppie would have been a great variation to break Pumas away from their two in ruck and twelve across the field defence.
Learned nothing in 15 years
That's tragic
I think it was learned but then subsequently forgotten
