All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Chris-B but they were at least still playing well.
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@taniwharugby One thing we can take away from this season.
When Mako rugby is weak, that ABs are weak!
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@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
Agree. We certainly weren't great but were doing ok. We need to give this new coaching team a bit more time though. It only the first test with Joe Schmidt fully on board so I will wait at least until the Aussie tests. Which is what NZR should have done
More time? More time than the 3 years of substandard results?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
Agree. We certainly weren't great but were doing ok. We need to give this new coaching team a bit more time though. It only the first test with Joe Schmidt fully on board so I will wait at least until the Aussie tests. Which is what NZR should have done
More time? More time than the 3 years of substandard results?
A new coaching team now. This team needs at least a few more games to see if it makes any difference
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The most disgusting element of the entire debacle was Perofeta's debut. WTF was the thinking there?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The most disgusting element of the entire debacle was Perofeta's debut. WTF was the thinking there?
I'm not convinced we have hit rock bottom yet. Will group stage exit in France be Fozzie's Magnum opus?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby One thing we can take away from this season.
When Mako rugby is weak, that ABs are weak!
The Invitational Baabaas Chequebook XV's dominance has almost perfectly mirrored the ABs decline up until this point where you've now joined the ABs in mediocrity.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The most disgusting element of the entire debacle was Perofeta's debut. WTF was the thinking there?
I guess, given that DMac is floating around in the background and plays pretty much the same role as Perofeta, I'd have been keen to get out there and become a capped AB while I could.
Not ideal circumstances.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I wouldn't voluntarily play both either. But we don't have any other centres, if you take Reiko out.
It's not like the current set-up offers much, so provided they defend adequately they can't really be worse.
I've cracked it - just swap Clarke and Rieko man for man. That way we get Rieko back on the wing where most seem to want him, and we also get a brand new winger/FB-turned-centre to experiment with.
Magic. I really should be selecting this team.
His Dad was a very good centre so that’s a superb idea.
Then again Reikos Dad was a lock so do we give him a go there ?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I'd agree with most of those changes - but, pairing RTS and Tupaea in the midfield is pretty experimental.
It is experimental. We might lose. Oh, wait…
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Well done Argies.
ABs very poor.
Most random reffing performance I have seen for some time, well since that Wales v Boks test.
He's simply not up to standard but he wasn't the reason you lost.
Was a factor.
Take him out and we win.
Not convinced
Ref wasn't committing the penalties and throwing the ball in shit
Ref invented penalties, for one side and ignored the other side.
It created the scoreboard pressure. And subsequent panic.
Sure we did stupid shit too.
But change that factor and put a proper ref in charge and that result changes.
That's down to the captain, players and coaches not adapting to the ref
Everyone knew he's useless before kick off
NZ did not play the ref, Argentina did
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So you're saying the referee's inadequacies affected the result?
I agree entirely
The team's inadequacies affected the result much more
Take one factor out and the result changes
Not giving away so many penalties to allow the Pumas to stay in touch?
Yes.
That is another different factor.
But then ask yourself were all those penalties legit, or were they the result of an incompetent referee?
I thought a couple were a bit rough on the ABs. But then, your hooker detatched from the maul for his try, so....
I like that the ref was pretty strict on latching player going to deck - and fairly consistent.
Again... change that factor ...
Or be good enough that a couple of decisions aren't in frame.
I wondered about this at the time. On the replay it looks like ST manages to keep holding on to the player in front despite his shoulders losing contact. I thought as long as physical contact remained they are still bound?
Technically speaking: bound to the shoulder. In practice it is a little looser than that, but that one was barely hand grip on the shorts
Certainly an area of the game that needs cleaning up. If you had to be bound properly, it would make defending mauls easier, as mauls would cease to be mauls 90 % of the time with the 1 hand 'bind' that is so prevalent in today's game.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby One thing we can take away from this season.
When Mako rugby is weak, that ABs are weak!
Chris I'll never forget the night of the 2019 npc final... you know what happened that night😟
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Maybe the problem is that sometimes a third of the playing XV are from two families and neither show a propensity for intelligent play.
Possibly no coincidence that the best player all year got this way without his brother there to distract him.
So see ya Akira, Scott and Beauden. It’s been good but time to move on.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby One thing we can take away from this season.
When Mako rugby is weak, that ABs are weak!
Chris I'll never forget the night of the 2019 npc final... you know what happened that night😟
It was still a great night - though not if you were from Wellington!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika even thinks Robertson is a great coach a piece from the Pumas press conference.
He’d been asked about No 8 Pablo Matera, who helped the Crusaders win a record-extending 13th Super Rugby crown this year, and played a big hand in a superb performance by the Pumas’ loose forwards
“I think that the Crusaders have made a really huge mark, and Scott Robertson has made a really huge mark on Pablo. He came here to learn more about rugby, didn't come here for money or anything like that, and it shows the quality of the franchise and the coaching here, he's come back a heaps better player - mentally and technically.
That is some A level mind games right there, well played Cheika.
Maybe but is it wrong?
It was a compliment
