Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
So the board bellend then. Good to know.
Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.
You've covered all definitions.
Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?
Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.
But what if we beat them on the field, but not on the scoreboard?
( I'm pretty sure that was uttered by some low-level provincial coach in the dim and distant past)
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@junior said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.
I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.
How does this 23 win the game?
Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.
We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.
The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.
If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.
I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.
It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.
They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.
Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.
This is all so true, but equally I totally get the point that others are making about the high balls etc. In short, it's about making the Boks have to do something different and to earn their points in a way that doesn't suit them as much. By cutting down our errors - forced or otherwise - they have to start doing something differently to apply scoreboard pressure. All of the sudden then, they are also out of their comfort zones, which increases the chances that they will make mistakes, which we can capitalise on.
Easier said than done and obviously they can still score points doing something different. But, it would still be quite nice not to see us fold completely under the pressure of their Plan A - make them have to worry about Plan B as well for a change!
A good way to do that would be not to concede a try in the first 10 minutes. Seems almost de regeur for the team these days and we end up putting ourselves under so much pressure.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
So the board bellend then. Good to know.
Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.
You've covered all definitions.
Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?
Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.
But what if we beat them on the field, but not on the scoreboard?
( I'm pretty sure that was uttered by some low-level provincial coach in the dim and distant past)
Sounds like a Cheikism!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I am rooting for the boy big time now.
Hope he turns into the second coming of Carl Hayman.
You know you're old when an All Black's Dad look young.
Huh, fuck yeah go me! I'm not old yet.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Talk about feeling old:
Was this the series Jeremy Thrush was called into the team and played awesome before buggering off overseas?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Talk about feeling old:
Was this the series Jeremy Thrush was called into the team and played awesome before buggering off overseas?
Probably.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Just imagine (yes I know it is hard for some) if the ABs do the unthinkable and channel their 2007 French vanquishers and beat the Boks at Ellis Park.
Would it classify as a major upset?
Depends who you ask?
Foster
Just a matter of time
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
just a bunch of soft lads who don't like it when it s cold and wet. don't like the graft. flat track bullies who only come out to play when its a nice day. lads who are too nice. sea gulling out on the wings. ruck inspectors.
they score the 9th try in a 60 point drubbing but are nowhere to be seen in a close game.
those kind of lads.
Conditions are likely to be warm and dry. I don’t think this will magically result in an AB win.
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@MN5 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
just a bunch of soft lads who don't like it when it s cold and wet. don't like the graft. flat track bullies who only come out to play when its a nice day. lads who are too nice. sea gulling out on the wings. ruck inspectors.
they score the 9th try in a 60 point drubbing but are nowhere to be seen in a close game.
those kind of lads.
Conditions are likely to be warm and dry. I don’t think this will magically result in an AB win.
I used to back us on a dry track. Not so much any more
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The slightly weird thing about this game is that it feels like waiting for a Black Caps/Steamers/Chiefs game. Even when the All Blacks have been up and down in the past, I always still expected them to win.
The current All Blacks now feel just like all my other teams, where hope is usually the biggest part of the anticipation
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@Donsteppa could be worse. Could be like a Warriors game.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Facebook and/or PR seemed to have leaked their way into the Fern.
I think I might keep away from this thread until the post-mortem (maybe until the gloating stops). It's not good for the mental healthWhat?
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Sir Graham Henry's plea: This is not the Kiwi way - it's time to back the All Blacks
OPINION: The All Blacks need your support - whatever happened to the team of five million?
Henry has asked all NZers (5million) to get behind the team (the 23). But didn't include the coaches 😜
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"Former England and current Leinster coach Stuart Lancaster says the All Blacks’ lack of clarity under Ian Foster is the reason for their freefall down the world rankings and home series defeat against Ireland.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Donsteppa could be worse. Could be like a Warriors game.
I was going to list the Warriors and Phoenix etc, but that would indeed have been too depressing pre-match.
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