Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.
I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.
How does this 23 win the game?
Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.
We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.
The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.
If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.
I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.
It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.
They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.
Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.
You don't get points for being dominant or in control. SA still have to convert control and domination into points and did so on the back of two big errors. Sure they didn't need to takes risks but they also didn't offer anything else on attack.
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
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the pressure the Boks continually exerted was huge.
I am most concerned by the lack of focus and counter-attacking strategies. The ABs need a serious attack coach. -
@voodoo said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I am rooting for the boy big time now.
Hope he turns into the second coming of Carl Hayman.
1000 upvotes if I could
Dusty as fuck in Cardiff at the moment
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
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@SidBarret said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones how is the first up tackle that was missed on Clark for the NZ try any less of an unforced error than Jordie missing the high ball?
I agree with the idea that we are not scoring as many as we should be and i view it as our single biggest weakness at the moment, but that doesnt change the tries we do score into flukes.
Yeah not sure I referred to any of the Springboks tries as flukes eh. But one came from a dropped pass and the other from a dropped catch with zero support around.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
the pressure the Boks continually exerted was huge.
I am most concerned by the lack of focus and counter-attacking strategies. The ABs need a serious attack coach.Sure it was. The ABs still created a couple of opportunities they really should have taken advantage of.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
the pressure the Boks continually exerted was huge.
I am most concerned by the lack of focus and counter-attacking strategies. The ABs need a serious attack coach.Sure it was. The ABs still created a couple of opportunities they really should have taken advantage of.
The plot thickens!
So if the ABs can not make any mistakes which allow the opposition to score more points....AND.... If the ABs can create opportunities to score points and convert them....they could win?
I've got one. If the Bokke get lost on the way from the changing room to the field, we might win by default! Take that springboks.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
So the board bellend then. Good to know.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
So the board bellend then. Good to know.
Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
TAS Analytics.
If Rieko were watching the ball, surely he'd have the nous to get behind it. Because that's where we would be vulnerable.
Am most certainly would have been there if the roles had been reversed. -
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
So the board bellend then. Good to know.
Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.
You've covered all definitions.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.
That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.
No shit.
You translated the gust of my post very well.
Got any aunt's with balls?
Sweet retort.
No shit.
So the board bellend then. Good to know.
Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.
You've covered all definitions.
Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?
Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.
I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.
How does this 23 win the game?
Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.
We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.
The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.
If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.
I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.
It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.
They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.
Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.
This is all so true, but equally I totally get the point that others are making about the high balls etc. In short, it's about making the Boks have to do something different and to earn their points in a way that doesn't suit them as much. By cutting down our errors - forced or otherwise - they have to start doing something differently to apply scoreboard pressure. All of the sudden then, they are also out of their comfort zones, which increases the chances that they will make mistakes, which we can capitalise on.
Easier said than done and obviously they can still score points doing something different. But, it would still be quite nice not to see us fold completely under the pressure of their Plan A - make them have to worry about Plan B as well for a change!
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