Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life alot is being laid at the feet of Fozzie & Cane, neither are responding very well to this.
Fozzie trotting out the same tired cliches, Cane looks frustrated as fuck, but saying what you expect about how hard they are working, how close they are etc.
Working hard on the wrong things, getting closer and closer to the wrong destination.
The NZ All Blacks. The definition of madness since 20
1917Yes indeed
Nice correction
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I don't see Savea being used as the starting 7 again as he very rarely plays there for the Hurricanes either.
Was that due to being told his immediate future at
AB level is at 8 though ?So was in everyones best interests to play there to get better at it .
I’ve got no idea , but I wondered the same thing
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Dalton was the best 7 in NZ in SR, yet his brief moments in black this year, to me show how the environment is affecting people.
We know Fozzie has mad love for Ardie at 8, but the fact he has given Sotutu nothing at all is concerning, why? has Sotutu done something, does Fozzie just think Ardie is so crucial to whatever structure he wants to play, or does he just not think Sotutu is upto it?
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
Have to think 1 of Grace or MMT will go on EOYT, despite them giving PGS a cap.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
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@kiwiinmelb We don't know either way, but just as likely to accommodate Kirifi in the loose forwards. Using another example, Goodhue never played 2nd 5 for the ABs before playing there for the Crusaders.
I understand that the AB coaches leave the SR coaches to make their own selection decisions, as it should be.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
He played for CM in a game I watched a few weeks back. It was a 50 min match.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
He played for CM in a game I watched a few weeks back. It was a 50 min match.
sorry
7.5 weeks since a meaningful game. Preseason NPC doesn't count
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
you know what, if i set aside my differences on teh actual selections, i like the fact they aren't budging. They know what they think their best team is, and they are not budging. I think, had Whitelock and Retallick been available the whole time, then Cane, Savea and Barrett would have started every test. And that's a good thing.
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@mariner4life There hasn't been many opportunities for the players to play any other games if they weren't playing the Irish tests. Perofeta wasn't involved for Taranaki in that same tournament but Vaa'i was, so SP would be even rustier.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life There hasn't been many opportunities for the players to play any other games if they weren't playing the Irish tests. Perofeta wasn't involved for Taranaki in that same tournament but Vaa'i was, so SP would be even rustier.
it's a significant flaw in our national structure.
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@mariner4life I realise and appreciate the proud history of NZ Maori, but if there was a choice between NZ Maori and a NZ 2nd 15 playing the Irish, the latter should have done so.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
I remember the Hurricanes under Hammett were always "training the house down"
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
I remember the Hurricanes under Hammett were always "training the house down"
NZ Warriors have joined the chat
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@mariner4life 2018 Blues are posting about how they really want to win for the fans at Eden Park.
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@Frank said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
IMO- the following players are the top ones that should be competing for the following positions.
8 - Sotutu, MMT, Grace, Jacobson, Sowakula
7 - Papalii, Savea, Cane, Blackadder
6 - Akira, Blackadder(when he's back), Robinson, GraceI know he does not have many minutes of high level rugby, but Cameron Suafoa has to come under scrutiny. His physicality impressed me against Ireland A.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
The persecution complex on this thread is getting tiresome
Until it happens eh
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@reprobate said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
chased poorly
I remember a couple that only went like 30m and we didn't even have a chaser within 20m when it came down. It was pretty disgusting and someone mentioned Jordan seeming like a petulant child, which seemed quite pertinent when you look at stuff like that - where was the intensity, passion....the want?! They just seemed like "fuck this", you can almost taste the disinterest.
