Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will we get humped again? I think so. But do we have a chance? Absolutely. I believe we're only one or two passes from gelling enough to win. But it's all too late. At best we can hope for a 50% win ratio over the last 12 tests with 2 of those wins from Italy and the USA. Lose, Foster is out anyway with a 41% ratio but it may just save us the Bledisloe. The good news, we have Argentina at home.
I'll say this again. As bad as we were, SA beat us by two gift tries. They may have stepped up in other ways if those opportunities weren't presented but despite their dominance, we're still in the game. At least on the scoreboard. If that error rate is reduced substantially, we may just be able to keep in the game enough to put some pressure on the Boks to make mistakes of their own.
That's test rugby. Keep your mistakes to a minimum and take a 1 or 2 of the opportunities afforded to you. All about putting the opposition under pressure to see if they will crack.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
Thanks, I think.I guess the point I'm making is, how many high kicks we put up and we lost all but one in the air? I mean, these guys aren't Israel Folau. We should be getting at least parity.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
Thanks, I think.I guess the point I'm making is, how many high kicks we put up and we lost all but one in the air? I mean, these guys aren't Israel Folau. We should be getting at least parity.
I do agree with you. The technique was off. There were a couple of kicks that there just seemed to be no communication on. The one where J Barrett got injured was when he collided with Sam Cane.
The AB shepherds were not very good.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
how much mental damage is being done to the players? It cannot be a happy environment, and players struggle to perform when they are under relentless negative pressure.
Argument for a change, just for the atmosphere to lift.
Obviously they feeling pressure a bit, and guess Mounga's comments yesterday in press may sum up. Basically said he doesn't care what anyone outside the squad thinks, they trying to fix things and what's coming from outside is no help, and he doesn't care about it. Thought it was interesting, and can see where he coming from up to a point.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
Thanks, I think.I guess the point I'm making is, how many high kicks we put up and we lost all but one in the air? I mean, these guys aren't Israel Folau. We should be getting at least parity.
I do agree with you. The technique was off. There were a couple of kicks that there just seemed to be no communication on. The one where J Barrett got injured was when he collided with Sam Cane.
The AB shepherds were not very good.
...and we had exactly the same problem with the high ball against Ireland: their kicks were accurate and they chased well and we gave our catchers no protection, while our kicks were inaccurate, chased poorly, and they shepherded extremely well. But still we have done nothing to address it - if anything getting worse. The Irish showed us what to do, but we are not capable of following their example.
That is poor coaching and teamwork. Clarke and Barrett, and to a lesser extent Jordan, are excellent in the air. -
@Dan54 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
how much mental damage is being done to the players? It cannot be a happy environment, and players struggle to perform when they are under relentless negative pressure.
Argument for a change, just for the atmosphere to lift.
Obviously they feeling pressure a bit, and guess Mounga's comments yesterday in press may sum up. Basically said he doesn't care what anyone outside the squad thinks, they trying to fix things and what's coming from outside is no help, and he doesn't care about it. Thought it was interesting, and can see where he coming from up to a point.
Mo'unga is a player, and his responsibility is to do his best under the team instructions - so nothing from outside the camp should make any difference to what he's doing. Saying he doesn't care is probably just a poor choice of words.
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I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy. -
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
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@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy.ABs wouldn't have won in Townsville without JB's catching prowess. I think his move between 12 and 15 this season has affected him. He isn't playing well at 15 at all.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
Stomach bug strikes: All Blacks star in doubt for Boks rematch
He was the leading candidate to start at fullback with Jordie Barrett also in doubt.
Potentially 3 fullbacks down, JB, BB (they should rest him), WJ, does DH have a chance?
Perofeta you'd hope. these guys have to get some games in
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy.ABs wouldn't have won in Townsville without JB's catching prowess. I think his move between 12 and 15 this season has affected him. He isn't playing well at 15 at all.
I think the whole team are being affected right now, and we all know who is setting the tone. Tactics tactics tactics
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
Easy to train well when the opposition isn't there....
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy.ABs wouldn't have won in Townsville without JB's catching prowess. I think his move between 12 and 15 this season has affected him. He isn't playing well at 15 at all.
Jordie and BB both much better in Townsville. But plenty of AB mistakes in 10-12-13 area from standing too flat. More composed at regrouping.
The mix of Blackadder/Akira/Ardie worked well. The first named was tearing into everything at 7. And almost no 'if in doubt throw it to Ardie', which is SO predictable. Nepo/Codie/Joe and The three Ts, Sami, Karl and Ofa handled the Bok front rows, and maul solid, both until Paddy T came on. AB pack made more hard carries, even though not making huge ground.
Boks also kicked much less precisely than Saturday and hadn't honed their game to such a simple error averse plan.
But definitely some defensive chinks which ABs only exploited once in each game.
A bit more backline depth and composure required.
