Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I think it was Sam Cane or Foster who made the comment that the AB's were trying to relax a bit and not snatch the ball. Seems to have worked as the passing and catching was far more fluid and deliberate.
That's why at the time I thought Ka Mate was the right choice.
Good point. Drawing on their deepest history perhaps?
Kapa O Pango tends to wind the ABs into a higher level of excitement. That can lead to a failure to execute
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
Only illegal if the ref calls it. We can't depend on the ref to make the correct call, especially at the breakdown. We need to take care of our own business, which was good to see at Ellis Park generally
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@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Squidgey's take.
One of the few of his I have managed to watch right through (maybe because he was being complimentary to the ABs
)Makes a very good point at the end. The ABs have shown that they have the ability now to adjust to what the opposition showed the week before. That is a very different proposition to an EOYT where you go in fresh each week against a side waiting to ambush you (just like the RWC) and it will be very interesting to see how that goes this year. Last year it didn't go so well especially against a French team that, since their resurgence, was a bit of an unknown quantity. In that game we did adjust on the fly but couldn't make the adjustments stick long enough.
Looking way too far forward to the RWC we have one game that will presumably be our biggest hurdle and that is the quarterfinal.
Let the opener against France play out. It doesn't really matter if we come first or second in the pool. Take a standard game against them and gather information for a possible future meeting. It is the quarter against SA or Ireland that we need to target and plan for. Luckily for us both of these teams have pretty set styles. Sure they will tweak some stuff up but we know that Ireland base themselves around being very organised and drilled. Disrupting that is the key and we can watch their game against SA to see what happens there. -
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
Only illegal if the ref calls it. We can't depend on the ref to make the correct call, especially at the breakdown. We need to take care of our own business, which was good to see at Ellis Park generally
Of course you do, or else why would any player compete for the ball on their feet, why would anyone try and drive over a ruck, why wouldn’t we just throw bodies in off our feet to disrupt ball?
If ref stuff ups were graded, then that one was in the absolute howler category. It wasn’t a 50/50 situation, just a standard not rolling away that he had called earlier in the game. I think it’s pretty evident that the players expect the ref to get those ones right.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
Only illegal if the ref calls it. We can't depend on the ref to make the correct call, especially at the breakdown. We need to take care of our own business, which was good to see at Ellis Park generally
Of course you do, or else why would any player compete for the ball on their feet, why would anyone try and drive over a ruck, why wouldn’t we just throw bodies in off our feet to disrupt ball?
If ref stuff ups were graded, then that one was in the absolute howler category. It wasn’t a 50/50 situation, just a standard not rolling away that he had called earlier in the game. I think it’s pretty evident that the players expect the ref to get those ones right.
Yeah that's a bit like saying well he kicked a 50-22 but the ref decided it wasn't so it's his fault.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
is a very different proposition to an EOYT
Does it only count if the ABs played them a week before? Of if the opposition played someone else and the ABs watched the tape? Maybe we lose to Japan and smoke everyone else.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
is a very different proposition to an EOYT
Does it only count if the ABs played them a week before? Of if the opposition played someone else and the ABs watched the tape? Maybe we lose to Japan and smoke everyone else.
Eh?
The point was more about how there are a lot of teams playing at a high level at the moment and any can beat any on a given day. The interesting part comes when you play them twice in a row eg ABs v SA or Ireland's adjustments to ABs.
The sign of a very good team is one that can not just react but have plans that can cope with whatever the opposition bring even when that opposition have been lying in wait analysing and ready to ambush. -
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial or maybe they countered the counter counter.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial or maybe they countered the counter counter.
Just showed this to Mrs Meldrew and she's still laughing. Top Ferning, bro.
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@Victor-Meldrew I will never take the credit Beaker deserves. Him and Chef rank right at the top of my childhood heroes/idols. Say hi to the wife.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Squidgey's take.
One of the few of his I have managed to watch right through (maybe because he was being complimentary to the ABs
)Makes a very good point at the end. The ABs have shown that they have the ability now to adjust to what the opposition showed the week before. That is a very different proposition to an EOYT where you go in fresh each week against a side waiting to ambush you (just like the RWC) and it will be very interesting to see how that goes this year. Last year it didn't go so well especially against a French team that, since their resurgence, was a bit of an unknown quantity. In that game we did adjust on the fly but couldn't make the adjustments stick long enough.
Looking way too far forward to the RWC we have one game that will presumably be our biggest hurdle and that is the quarterfinal.
Let the opener against France play out. It doesn't really matter if we come first or second in the pool. Take a standard game against them and gather information for a possible future meeting. It is the quarter against SA or Ireland that we need to target and plan for. Luckily for us both of these teams have pretty set styles. Sure they will tweak some stuff up but we know that Ireland base themselves around being very organised and drilled. Disrupting that is the key and we can watch their game against SA to see what happens there.I rewatched the game slowly AND Squidge. Squidge reminds me why I stopped watching him ... he gets orgasmic about pod systems and ends up equating a lot of micro in-game stuff done well with actual "strategy"
I saw much simpler things than Squidge like Frizzel improving the backrow balance and overall workrate, the pack being far more cohesive, Mounga's movement and passing giving a lot front-foot ball (Rieko in space etc), that patterns work better because he doesn't drift, that Jordie plays a traditional 15 role (strong boot, hits the line at the right times), and no Beauden 'golden-boy' Barrett trying to play 10 and 15
Looked like the coaches did KISS principle, people knew exactly what they were doing and credit to the coaches however that happened
Tactically I got the impression the AB's are caught between trying to move from a drift defense to a rush defense as the line seemed disjointed ... ironically it may have helped as SA played more open rugby which suited the ABs, and tired the Boks. Credit for a win at Jo-berg but I really wonder if that performance would have beaten Ireland with Sexton, or France. Part of that defensive line may be that the ABs were putting an extra forward into the breakdown though? ... anyway that's what decent analysis might have looked at
I know the ABs love a power winger but even his missed tackle aside, I'm unconvinced on Caleb Clarke - yes he'll make a bust or maybe two each game but ... decision-making / heads-up rugby, workrate, finishing, linkage all doesn't seem AB level. The Boks negated him by kicking to him, that breakdown in comms with Jordan etc.
I didn't notice in-game but THAT Mounga turnover if you watch it again?
Mounga changes his mind and decides to take the hit ... there are 3-4 forwards who were meters ahead of Clarke who have read it (5,7,16,17). Clarke is ball-watching and remains totally static (gametime 57:47-57:50) meaning first Mounga has to go around him, and then Clarke's total lack of movement then ends up also slowing them getting to the breakdown too. Yeah it's all split second stuff - but hey, that's rugby at this levelIs Sevu Reece injured? Sevu actually always surprise me and seems to offer more than I expect
Not a kiwi, just a fan
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@Mario said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Looked like the coaches did KISS principle, people knew exactly what they were doing and credit to the coaches however that happened
Maybe it was the assistants making stuff too complicated to get right which is what the players didn't like. Foster and Schmidt stripping it back a touch.
@Mario said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Tactically I got the impression the AB's are caught between trying to move from a drift defense to a rush defense as the line seemed disjointed ... ironically it may have helped as SA played more open rugby which suited the ABs, and tired the Boks.
Like taking away the cover fielder to get the batsman nibbling outside off stump?
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@Mario said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Is Sevu Reece injured? Sevu actually always surprise me and seems to offer more than I expect
No. Not now anyway. He played for Ta$man yesterday
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@Mario yeah I made a comment along the same lines (but much less well thought out) on Clarke after the game. He's just really rough - plus I don't know if he's always been like that or if it's a result of injury, but his balance is fucked, which is not a good thing for a winger. Half the time he tackles himself.
