Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@FakatavaAllBlack RTS didn't perform well in the SR matches that mattered most. Havili did. It's weird how people think RTS is the answer when he hasn't shown anything to suggest that. Give him a bit more time via the bench first. Tupaea shit the bed against Ireland in a bad way. Again, there's no reason to suggest he's better than Havili. I'm not saying Havili is great at 12 (although he was better than people are suggesting here), I'd rather see him back at fullback (if that's still an option), and I'd therefore be in favour of handing him the 23 jersey, but only if there's a better 12 and I don't think there is (or at least, we haven't seen it yet). It would be good if TUJ could stay injury free for a while so he could be considered, but he seems to be made of glass, which doesn't do his ABs chances any favours. He looks like a good prospect though.
I also think that Rieko was far worse than Havili in the midfield. He didn't perform too well in the Ireland Series either. His "luck" is that his competition for the 13 jersey - ALB and Goodhue - are both unavailable. Unfortunately, Ennor would be a worse option and Fainga'anuku is too green (like RTS). Some competition for that 13 jersey might provide the spark Rieko needs.
Before throwing out the baby with the bath water (discarding players like some are suggesting), I'd like to see what a new coach, preferable Razor, can achieve. After all, our depth isn't what it used to be.
Your best ever post. Don't suppose you're available for a coaching gig?
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@Stargazer RTS missed substantial time in SR and then come the big game against the Saders he wasn’t the only Blue who didn’t show up, largely down to the Saders controlling everything. Agreed that he didn’t set the house on fire but he did enough to warrant a look.
The issue with players like him and Hoskins is - as JK says often on the breakdown - xx games until the RWC, we need to find out what we’ve got.
Havili has been in and around the team since 2017 and is what he is. Guys like RTS and Laumape would at least offer something against the rush defence.
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@Stargazer I don't think anyone has said that RTS is the answer, its more the fact that its time to see what he's capable of, otherwise there's no point having him there, and we're on an awful run of results so there's nothing to lose now really, same with Newell and Perofeta.
There are guys in there who have shown time and time again that they're not the answer, so why not give these guys a go? Let's be honest, we're most likely gonna lose anyway with the same guys that get picked as much as I hate to say it.
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@sparky leadership. You have next to none. No one to put an arm round Jordan when he hoofs the ale house ball into the 15th row. No one to tell Gus to stop guessing at the scrum, let the packs find their level - even if it’s just to put some doubt in the cyclop’s head. No one showing fuggen hard man manna to match the boks’ intensity and lift the boys with a massive hit on Pollard or Hendrikse to let them know this is a test match not an armchair ride.
But worse, it feels like the ABs have no clue what they absolutely have to do in order to win the game. If they were trying to set up certain situations to capitalize on they utterly failed to do it on the pitch.
But it’s more likely they didn’t have any real idea what they wanted to create and we’re just hoping for the game to go their way.
Somebody needs to grab the reigns and take control. Do that and a lot of other problems will get solved.
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@MiketheSnow Will the All Blacks lost one in the WC and win the tournament like the Bokke did in 2019? Sure they can.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow Will the All Blacks lost one in the WC and win the tournament like the Bokke did in 2019? Sure they can.
Anything is possible
There’s a lot of rugby to be played between now and the WC
Who knows who will be present and who will be absent come cup time
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow Will the All Blacks lost one in the WC and win the tournament like the Bokke did in 2019? Sure they can.
Anything is possible
There’s a lot of rugby to be played between now and the WC
Who knows who will be present and who will be absent come cup time
If Foster is still the coach, do you see NZ winning the RWC?
If the answer is no, nothing will change for NZ's prospects until Foster goes. Delaying the inevitable just takes time away from the next coach. And every game is gold dust now.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow Will the All Blacks lost one in the WC and win the tournament like the Bokke did in 2019? Sure they can.
Anything is possible
There’s a lot of rugby to be played between now and the WC
Who knows who will be present and who will be absent come cup time
If Foster is still the coach, do you see NZ winning the RWC?
If the answer is no, nothing will change for NZ's prospects until Foster goes. Delaying the inevitable just takes time away from the next coach. And every game is gold dust now.
No
France and Ireland are ahead of NZ at the moment and should progress on that side of the draw.
But can NZ beat both of those in a knockout competition, even with Foster?
Yes
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@game_film said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@PN It put everyone to sleep, mate!!
That series was terrible to watch. Rassie’s video was the most entertaining but about it all.
The result and the quality of the game are 2 different things.
I agree!
Watching BB slice through defenders from his goalline over the weekend was quite exciting! AB's completed double passes when compared to the Boks, it was very exciting, based on that, they should have won!
It's like the post I read in the first match thread where someone asked I whether a scrum can continue to gain ground/penalties if the ball is available at the back 😂
The difference in (rugby) culture should be respected, not mocked.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow Will the All Blacks lost one in the WC and win the tournament like the Bokke did in 2019? Sure they can.
Anything is possible
There’s a lot of rugby to be played between now and the WC
Who knows who will be present and who will be absent come cup time
If Foster is still the coach, do you see NZ winning the RWC?
If the answer is no, nothing will change for NZ's prospects until Foster goes. Delaying the inevitable just takes time away from the next coach. And every game is gold dust now.
No
France and Ireland are ahead of NZ at the moment and should progress on that side of the draw.
But can NZ beat both of those in a knockout competition,
even within spite of Foster?Yes
Fixed
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How can they not be in form? Most of the squad played in a SR Final. They played good rugby.
There's a bit of a difference between SR & Test rugby - which is why George Bridge isn't a Test winger.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Roger has been training with the team for two months so start him Saturday,
Until he has a bad game and then gets dropped - a la QT after Ireland II
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@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Players are fine. Not world beaters but fine. It's the total lack of direction or purpose and an unwillingness to change and adapt from the Head Coach that are the key problems.
No, the player pool is very thin compared to the past and the current players aren't fine - they are making too many basic fuck-ups at critical moments which is killing us and they shoulder a fair bit of the blame.
Coles knocking-on with the try-line beckoning had nothing to do with direction, purpose, game plan or unwillingness to adapt by Foster. It was a bad mistake by an experienced player and we've seen it time and time again, whether it's BB's kicking or Taylor's lineout throwing.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Players are fine. Not world beaters but fine. It's the total lack of direction or purpose and an unwillingness to change and adapt from the Head Coach that are the key problems.
No, the player pool is very thin compared to the past and the current players aren't fine - they are making too many basic fuck-ups at critical moments which is killing us and they shoulder a fair bit of the blame.
Coles knocking-on with the try-line beckoning had nothing to do with direction, purpose, game plan or unwillingness to adapt by Foster. It was a bad mistake by an experienced player and we've seen it time and time again, whether it's BB's kicking or Taylor's lineout throwing.
Would you drop him? I would start ST and bring CT back on the bench for next test. One of Coles or Taylor to stay on in squad, but not both. Time to move on.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Players are fine. Not world beaters but fine. It's the total lack of direction or purpose and an unwillingness to change and adapt from the Head Coach that are the key problems.
No, the player pool is very thin compared to the past and the current players aren't fine - they are making too many basic fuck-ups at critical moments which is killing us and they shoulder a fair bit of the blame.
Coles knocking-on with the try-line beckoning had nothing to do with direction, purpose, game plan or unwillingness to adapt by Foster. It was a bad mistake by an experienced player and we've seen it time and time again, whether it's BB's kicking or Taylor's lineout throwing.
Would you drop him? I would start ST and bring CT back on the bench for next test. One of Coles or Taylor to stay on in squad, but not both. Time to move on.
Doesn't matter who is picked on the day if the players make pretty basic mistakes time and time again and still get picked as they are the best in the player pool.
But yeah, I'd go for Sami starting as he's both the future and pretty much the form hooker. He and Bower seem to be the only rays of light at the moment.
