Springboks v All Blacks I
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Pleased with best in form hooker finally getting a run....and that's about it... So hard to feel any confidence.
Lots of concerns...
Akira and frizzel both bloody frustrating at test level so far...Havili and reiko not an exactly creative mid field combo, Wings will have to go looking for opportunities as they won't get put in space by these two...that's IF they get some front foot ball...
SA will be looking at 12 13 with glee... They were Swiss cheese last test
Can see Clarke being peppered with high balls...
Boks by unders for me... Just hope we put a better performance together... But not holding my breath
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@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Akira and frizzel both bloody frustrating at test level so far..
This is intriguing, so many posters pointing to Ioane not being up to scratch, but I really can't see why. From my hazy recollection, he's had some great tests (which I can't recall many other 6's doing in recent memory) and a small set of average ones (i.e. Frizzell level). He's definitely top of the tree and has shown an ability to perform to a high standard against good opposition, so I'm not sure what people are judging him on here (or expecting).
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Akira and frizzel both bloody frustrating at test level so far..
This is intriguing, so many posters pointing to Ioane not being up to scratch, but I really can't see why. From my hazy recollection, he's had some great tests (which I can't recall many other 6's doing in recent memory) and a small set of average ones (i.e. Frizzell level). He's definitely top of the tree and has shown an ability to perform to a high standard against good opposition, so I'm not sure what people are judging him on here (or expecting).
Which tests was he great in..maybe one. I don't recall the rest..
He's had great moments for sure, but I haven't seen him dominate opposition like I believe he can....particularly in defence.Sincerely hope he has a blinder on Sunday morning.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Akira and frizzel both bloody frustrating at test level so far..
This is intriguing, so many posters pointing to Ioane not being up to scratch, but I really can't see why. From my hazy recollection, he's had some great tests (which I can't recall many other 6's doing in recent memory) and a small set of average ones (i.e. Frizzell level). He's definitely top of the tree and has shown an ability to perform to a high standard against good opposition, so I'm not sure what people are judging him on here (or expecting).
Judging him against Kaino I imagine.
All 3 of the "greatest backrow in history" improved over time, but Kaino especially had to develop to become the great 6 that he ultimately became. I seem to recall comments about him being a great athlete, but not being so great at the tight work.
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Pretty much what I expected - I got the hooker change I wanted and I'm not disappointed seeing Clarke there.
Frizell is logical, because they won't sub Ardie or Cane unless they're injured - in which case either Akira or Shannon can cover 8 at a pinch.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
This wouldn't be so much of an issue if he was kicking 100% of his kicks for goal, was using his boot to greater effect to win the territorial battle. He doesn't have to be overly creative, but he needs to inject himself into the attack more effectively. Be defensively sound. Like Mils used to do.
He should basically be our Frans Steyn, using his massive boot and his bulk to get the team into advantageous positions.
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Tough on Reece who was one of the few who didn't let themselves down in the Ireland series and I don't get Frizzell on the bench ahead of Sotutu but, apart from that, seems a pretty standard 23. Amazing that Bower seems an automatic choice after so few Tests
Hope Akira continues his progress (don't think he's anywhere near his potential yet) and Havili gets over the yips and has a good game. Oh, and BB not to kick like shit.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader So Havili is only a 12? I still question if he is good enough there at test level against anyone not named Australia.
If you have Reece on the bench you cover wing without having to move Ioane, and can use JB as the backup midfielder if one of them has to go off. QT hasn't played centre much recently.
I would’ve preferred Fainga’anuku on the bench.
Yeah Havili has only been used at 2nd 5 for the ABs. For me he starts or not in the 23. A number of players in this AB squad still proving themselves at this leve and Havili is one of them.
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I've seen a couple of mentions that the AB pack is lightweight in comparison to the Bok pack.
Where is the best place to get official player weights for comparison?
How much taller are the Bok lineout options and lifters in comparison with the AB ones is probably a more important point of difference. I expect SA to put a lot of heat on AB throws. They have 4 very good lineout operators in Etzebeth, de Jager, Kolisi and PSDT.
Will we see the return of the quick throw tactic to keep the Bok heavies moving around?
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Where is the best place to get official player weights for comparison?
Do you want the one that has Ardie at 6’2 or Ardie at 6’6…
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Scrums are a concern IMO. It should be OK during the first half but I fear for the last 30 minutes. There are generally more scrums in the second half as the play becomes more loose (or scrappier if you prefer). Lomax will have a big challenge against Kitshoff who is one of the best scrummagers in the world, while De Groot is very inexperienced.
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@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Akira and frizzel both bloody frustrating at test level so far..
This is intriguing, so many posters pointing to Ioane not being up to scratch, but I really can't see why. From my hazy recollection, he's had some great tests (which I can't recall many other 6's doing in recent memory) and a small set of average ones (i.e. Frizzell level). He's definitely top of the tree and has shown an ability to perform to a high standard against good opposition, so I'm not sure what people are judging him on here (or expecting).
Which tests was he great in..maybe one. I don't recall the rest..
He's had great moments for sure, but I haven't seen him dominate opposition like I believe he can....particularly in defence.Sincerely hope he has a blinder on Sunday morning.
I recall the last test he played.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Where is the best place to get official player weights for comparison?
Do you want the one that has Ardie at 6’2 or Ardie at 6’6…
I'd prefer fact over fiction please ACT
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Where is the best place to get official player weights for comparison?
Do you want the one that has Ardie at 6’2 or Ardie at 6’6…
I'd prefer fact over fiction please ACT
Wiki heights and weights aren't bad honestly.
PSDT is really the only big difference at lineout time. He's 2m with long levers up against Ioane at 194cm.
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Foster doesn't give away too much of his cunning plan, does he?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300654568/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-well-always-man-up--its-about-playing-smarter -
@TheMojoman I disagree about Akira. I don’t think he’s best off the bench just because we like the idea of him coming out against tired opposition. I think when he starts he gets into the rhythm of the game and seems to look more connected.
