Springboks v All Blacks I
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus clearly he does it well enough to fool the ref, who is the only one he needs to fool.
Or maybe we have cleaners to take him out.
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@Joans-Town-Jones there's that too, but he is only playing as the ref allows him, something we used to be better at.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Joans-Town-Jones there's that too, but he is only playing as the ref allows him, something we used to be better at.
100%. I remember commenting at the time, "is he supporting his body weight?" but really, he was mostly uncontested. We deserved to lost those rucks on principle.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Rucks need to be hit, proper kicking and passing still needs to be made, scrums need to be won - yes in the last 20 too.
Our ruck work is inaccurate, and our decision making is poor. Early in the second half, our cleaners were away from the ball - so Kitshoff just wandered in and contested it, and won a turnover. It's jut basic rugby; the Bokke were protecting their ball brilliantly
That said, I thought the ref was a bit random and all over the place. All Blacks got frustrated with some of the rulings - but struggled to adapt.
Maybe they'd given up by then as they knew that Gus would award a penalty to Marx even if he was lying on his back 50 metres away from the ruck.
Its all about pictures for the ref isn't it, it all happens so quick, and Marx presents a pretty easy picture for the ref. A good captain would have a word with the Ref and say they are not giving us a clear release making it hard. Or the 6 was laying all over the ball. I think a good captain needs to read the game and get in the ear of the ref early.
Boks so 7 laying all over ball.
What happened to blowing the defenders off our ball instead of waiting for the ref to do it for us?
Here’s what to do:
god i love those, you get the point of your shoulder right where their shoulder joins their neck, hit and drive. If you get it right it almost feels effortless, and the dude is flat on the ground. Feels fucking great.
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@Tim At least he is showing a bit of aggression. Young fella has the right attitude!
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@Old-Samurai-Jack probably highlights another issue, particularly relevant when binding, is jersies are more fitting these days and the material less easy to grip onto.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Tim At least he is showing a bit of aggression. Young fella has the right attitude!
Yeah, but what it again with Benny Hill music running in your head.
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OK, finished watching it now.
Christ, we were lethargic. Seemed like the Super Final all over again - one side knew their game and tactics and executed, the other defended stoutly, but you can't gift that much possession to the opposition and hope to be in the contest.
Angus was just in a free for all at rucks - supporting bodyweight didn't seem to matter ... so why the hell weren't we doing it?
This will come as an absolute shock, but if our mindset and accuracy improve a bit, we'll be very very competitive next weekend. Scrum still an issue, but that was a game that so much went wrong, compounded by not playing the ref well and it all just slipped away. I'm hopeful rather than confident, mind you, but a back to basics approach ( @mariner4life ) seems a bloody good idea.
There is something deeply wrong behind the scenes for us to be playing this badly. It's got ot change, and soon.
otherwise, it was one of the more painful ways of spending 80 minutes I can remember.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
This will come as an absolute shock, but if our mindset and accuracy improve a bit, we'll be very very competitive next weekend. Scrum still an issue, but that was a game that so much went wrong, compounded by not playing the ref well and it all just slipped away. I'm hopeful rather than confident, mind you, but a back to basics approach ( @mariner4life ) seems a bloody good idea.
While the Boks start as favourites in Boks v AB's II (and I hate it when we start as favourites) this is my view too.
I understand the gnashing of teeth by the AB fans, but I honestly don't think the AB's are as shit as many say. Test rugby requires that you are accurate north of 99% of the time in every facet, including decision making. It won't take much for the AB team to turn it around. I sincerely hope they don't! Getting 2 on the trot against the old foe would be nice - for me
But it also requires the Boks to be at their best. Any slip in intensity and they will be in trouble. -
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
This will come as an absolute shock, but if our mindset and accuracy improve a bit, we'll be very very competitive next weekend. Scrum still an issue, but that was a game that so much went wrong, compounded by not playing the ref well and it all just slipped away. I'm hopeful rather than confident, mind you, but a back to basics approach ( @mariner4life ) seems a bloody good idea.
While the Boks start as favourites in Boks v AB's II (and I hate it when we start as favourites) this is my view too.
I understand the gnashing of teeth by the AB fans, but I honestly don't think the AB's are as shit as many say. Test rugby requires that you are accurate north of 99% of the time in every facet, including decision making. It won't take much for the AB team to turn it around. I sincerely hope they don't! Getting 2 on the trot against the old foe would be nice - for me
But it also requires the Boks to be at their best. Any slip in intensity and they will be in trouble.Guarding against complacency will be Nienaber's focus this week. I think the Bok camp will be switched on this week. There are too many examples of the ABs snatching a win from the jaws of defeat for this group to think any differently. Just need to show a replay of the 2018 game in SA to see what happens when you take the foot off the throat.
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I honestly don't think the AB's are as shit as many say
The players aren't shit, but the systems are.
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
This will come as an absolute shock, but if our mindset and accuracy improve a bit, we'll be very very competitive next weekend. Scrum still an issue, but that was a game that so much went wrong, compounded by not playing the ref well and it all just slipped away. I'm hopeful rather than confident, mind you, but a back to basics approach ( @mariner4life ) seems a bloody good idea.
While the Boks start as favourites in Boks v AB's II (and I hate it when we start as favourites) this is my view too.
I understand the gnashing of teeth by the AB fans, but I honestly don't think the AB's are as shit as many say. Test rugby requires that you are accurate north of 99% of the time in every facet, including decision making. It won't take much for the AB team to turn it around. I sincerely hope they don't! Getting 2 on the trot against the old foe would be nice - for me
But it also requires the Boks to be at their best. Any slip in intensity and they will be in trouble.Started favourites before the first game, second to best victory ever. i wouldn't worry with Foster's follys
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
OK, finished watching it now.
Christ, we were lethargic. Seemed like the Super Final all over again - one side knew their game and tactics and executed, the other defended stoutly, but you can't gift that much possession to the opposition and hope to be in the contest.
Angus was just in a free for all at rucks - supporting bodyweight didn't seem to matter ... so why the hell weren't we doing it?
This will come as an absolute shock, but if our mindset and accuracy improve a bit, we'll be very very competitive next weekend. Scrum still an issue, but that was a game that so much went wrong, compounded by not playing the ref well and it all just slipped away. I'm hopeful rather than confident, mind you, but a back to basics approach ( @mariner4life ) seems a bloody good idea.
There is something deeply wrong behind the scenes for us to be playing this badly. It's got ot change, and soon.
otherwise, it was one of the more painful ways of spending 80 minutes I can remember.
I said this somewhere else. As shit as we were, SA won that game, at least on the scoreboard, by two tries gifted to them. Yes we're getting absolutely belted but we're never too far away in points. I firmly believe this team is 2 passes away from putting a win together. Will it be this week? I don't think so but it needs to happen soon. Either way, the coaching set up is not working and hasn't since 2019. The NZRU can't rely upon "we believe in this group and what we are doing". Sorry, you've had three years.
I'd like to see SC more assertive and I'd really like to see some aggro. Start smashing c*nts. If SA get away with shit, point it out, get in the refs ear or do it ourselves.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Once again I'll have to build up to watching, so painful
His shrill narration? Yeah agreed.
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Half that video is shit from Havili.
Can't promise that Tupaea or RTS would have been better but they can't have been much worse.
Although this Squid dick thinks he's funnier than fuck (but isn't), and always fails to analyse the weaknesses in the winning team or the poor reffing, you can take some of his snippets as correct.
I'm not for one minute blaming everything on Havili but he clearly isn't up to this level.
Most off the problems with him are connection ones with Rieko. Hooking Rieko and putting Tupaea at 13 won't fix that.
I would actually be of the mind to drop RTS in at 12 just to have a pairing that may not place us under pressure on our own ball.
To play this style really does call for well organised heads like Goodhue and ALB. Their absence really doesn't help matters at all.
