Foster, Robertson etc
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I don't want to throw a keg of beer on the fire but it is increasingly clear to me that Josef Schmidt has an awful lot of sway with the NZR.
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“Probably the best way forward if we’re going to do it, if we want to look after our best coaches in the country, which Razor (Robertson) certainly is, then you name him, you move on and everyone can focus on supporting Fozzie, because that’s what we need to do this year, get behind him,” the 37-year-old Read said on the Breakdown.
“The way New Zealand rugby are letting things hang at the moment, Fozzie probably doesn’t feel like there’s much support for him.”
“The whole thing hasn’t been handled well,” Read said.
“Really, all of the stuff should be happening behind closed doors.
“It shouldn’t be aired, what both coaches or everyone who’s come out talking. It shouldn’t be happening.
“Hopefully we get to the bottom of it and through it soon.”
But while this is the No 1 topic of conversation amongst rugby fans in New Zealand, Read said it wouldn’t be something bothering the All Blacks players.
“Players don’t want distractions, but to be honest, if I’m coming from a player’s perspective, I think they won’t mind,” he said.
“They won’t care what happens, as long as it gets dealt with in the right way.
“The way it’s being dealt with at the moment, there are distractions everywhere.
“So go in and either name the new coach, or don’t. It’s as simple as that, it’s not going to derail the players if you name the new All Blacks coach next week.”
Read was asked during his Breakdown interview if he felt there was now a disconnection between the All Blacks and NZ Rugby management and he felt there was.
“I’m not sure of the exact ins and outs, I do know there’s that disconnect and you can see it, it’s palpable what’s happening there,” he said.
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NZR should get a red card. Hopeless.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster, Robertson etc:
NZR should get a red card. Hopeless.
Name the coach for 2024 nowIt isn't easy coming up with a decision that manages to alienate everyone involved.
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Just throwing a scenario out there.
NZR succumb to public and media pressure and announce Razor as coach after the RWC.
Media then turn to hounding Razor for decisions on assistants, saying that Franchises have the right to know (as do the likes of the current assistants)
Jamie Joseph chips in and says there was no interview process and that he was waiting until after the RWC with Japan to discuss as no one had approached him.
Razor's methods take time to embed in an international environment and we have a rough season.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just throwing a scenario out there.
NZR succumb to public and media pressure and announce Razor as coach after the RWC.
Media then turn to hounding Razor for decisions on assistants, saying that Franchises have the right to know (as do the likes of the current assistants)
Jamie Joseph chips in and says there was no interview process and that he was waiting until after the RWC with Japan to discuss as no one had approached him.
Razor's methods take time to embed in an international environment and we have a rough season.
Press and public ask why he was appointed without a full application process.There's a funnier one. Razor gets appointed next week and the Crusaders have their worst season since 1997, don't make the finals.
Fans ask, did we get the secret of the Crusaders success with Ryan?
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@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Fans ask, did we get the secret of the Crusaders success with Ryan?
Which won't be a problem if Ryan remains with the ABS, surely?
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Fans ask, did we get the secret of the Crusaders success with Ryan?
Which won't be a problem if Ryan remains with the ABS, surely?
Will be if Razor s still pissed off with him. (one of the many rumours around)
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Fans ask, did we get the secret of the Crusaders success with Ryan?
Which won't be a problem if Ryan remains with the ABS, surely?
I guess it would leave Razor plenty of time of plan his dance number.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Razor's methods take time to embed in an international environment
Well we waited 3 years for Foster's methods to 'embed' and it rather curiously coincided with Schmidt and Ryan taking over in running the team's training sessions during the week.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Will be if Razor s still pissed off with him. (one of the many rumours around)
Given the accuracy of most recent rumours, I'll go with cold hard facts.
Ryan worked with Robertson for nearly 10 years. If they were going to break up, it would be after he showed how good he really is? That seems unlikely.
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Just an interesting point for those that think the messiah will fix everything with a wave of his hand
Quote from Razor after the Chiefs game...
"We pride ourselves on our attitude, and our effort. If you look at the positions the defence in, to defend for long periods at a time; the attack didn't allow the defence to be in a good position to start with. And our kicking game compromised us.''
Same player that compromises the ABs with his kicking game and a quote that I could probably find an almost exact copy of from Foster.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just an interesting point for those that think the messiah will fix everything with a wave of his hand
Quote from Razor after the Chiefs game...
"We pride ourselves on our attitude, and our effort. If you look at the positions the defence in, to defend for long periods at a time; the attack didn't allow the defence to be in a good position to start with. And our kicking game compromised us.''
Same player that compromises the ABs with his kicking game and a quote that I could probably find an almost exact copy of from Foster.
That quote was from Scott Hanson not Razor.
Hansen said the poor defensive statistics weren't a reflection on the team having a poor attitude, or not being focused.
"We pride ourselves on our attitude, and our effort. If you look at the positions the defence in, to defend for long periods at a time; the attack didn't allow the defence to be in a good position to start with. And our kicking game compromised us.''
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just an interesting point for those that think the messiah will fix everything with a wave of his hand
Quote from Razor after the Chiefs game...
"We pride ourselves on our attitude, and our effort. If you look at the positions the defence in, to defend for long periods at a time; the attack didn't allow the defence to be in a good position to start with. And our kicking game compromised us.''
Same player that compromises the ABs with his kicking game and a quote that I could probably find an almost exact copy of from Foster.
That quote was from Scott Hanson not Razor.
Was it? Point still stands. Razor as coach doesn’t mean that Mounga becomes a good tactical kicker or that effort on defense equates to effective defence that isn’t manipulated by an opponent with a good plan.
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@Crucial You are trying too hard.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just an interesting point for those that think the messiah will fix everything with a wave of his hand
Quote from Razor after the Chiefs game...
"We pride ourselves on our attitude, and our effort. If you look at the positions the defence in, to defend for long periods at a time; the attack didn't allow the defence to be in a good position to start with. And our kicking game compromised us.''
Same player that compromises the ABs with his kicking game and a quote that I could probably find an almost exact copy of from Foster.
That quote was from Scott Hanson not Razor.
Was it? Point still stands. Razor as coach doesn’t mean that Mounga becomes a good tactical kicker or that effort on defense equates to effective defence that isn’t manipulated by an opponent with a good plan.
You quoted Razor as saying it and said you could find a quote Foster saying the same thing.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial You are trying too hard.
Not at all. It was easy.
In Super you get the luxury of brushing off a dud performance by saying 'we were out of balance' wait and see who wins the comp.
Same thing doesn't apply at test level as we have seen.
More to the point (and this isn't a crack at Razor or an excuse for Foster) this is the same players with the same failings. When it happens the coach (whoever it is) can only do so much.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Just an interesting point for those that think the messiah will fix everything with a wave of his hand
Quote from Razor after the Chiefs game...
"We pride ourselves on our attitude, and our effort. If you look at the positions the defence in, to defend for long periods at a time; the attack didn't allow the defence to be in a good position to start with. And our kicking game compromised us.''
Same player that compromises the ABs with his kicking game and a quote that I could probably find an almost exact copy of from Foster.
That quote was from Scott Hanson not Razor.
Was it? Point still stands. Razor as coach doesn’t mean that Mounga becomes a good tactical kicker or that effort on defense equates to effective defence that isn’t manipulated by an opponent with a good plan.
You quoted Razor as saying it and said you could find a quote Foster saying the same thing.
Scott Hansen actually sets the backs tactical plan not Razor.Ineffectiveness and tactic setting are different things.
Yes, I checked the article and the quote was from Hansen
If Razor is going to get the bouquets for his results then he also gets tainted by the brickbats.
But again, my point isnt targetting Razor or excusing Foster. It is pointing out that the same problems exist from the same players and can derail team performance.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If Razor is going to get the bouquets for his results then he also gets tainted by the brickbats.
I just want the best possible coach available to coach the ABs. Who here thinks it is Ian Foster? If there is a better coach available than Razor choose that person. But it isn't clear to me yet. The contenders look good, Razor could be very good. Farrell could be better than Razor but he isn't available.
