Foster, Robertson etc
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Yep and makes a mockery of the idea that NZR have made no plans for 2024, doesn't it.
Hey if Razor goes to another country, it will be same as players that go, a bit of a shame but c'est la vie, I will be happy with players and coaches who show me being part of ABs is the most important thing to them.
That's not a criticism of those that go off shore, (and especially not Razor if he goes as some seem convinced he will) just how I feel. Everyone lives with their own priorities and need to live by them. -
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
Scott Robertson: I'm here and ready for the All Blacks job
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
And probaly bang on to Major!
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
The translation of the above post is that it seems you are angry that Robertson has not already been appointed / announced and paraded as Fosters successor.
There may well be legal, as well as other reasons behind that.
Not at all, I just have no trust that NZR will make the right decision. Foster was clearly the wrong decision, extending Hansen after the lions was wrong, how they dealt with so many things since then (super rugby, silver lake, black ferns, last year's coaching palaver) had been beyond amateur. I'm just worried that they'll fuck this up.
I'm not sure if razor is the best choice, but they need too ensure they get real competition for the role, and the best supporting coaches. And use a process that isn't jobs for the boys
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Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning. -
@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning.Can't say how much I agree with this post ARHS, I know it seems strange to many to just let the decisions be made by those who have ALL the info, I know I a great fan of Jamie Joseph getting job, but I don't know anymore about the qualifications than anyone else on here, or to be honest what really makes a good test coach.
I have seen many posts on forums where people have said someone like Eddie Jones is a good coach for a short time etc and then wears out players, then read after he is dumped players who were being coached by him saying how good he was and still is. So you have to think they would have pretty good idea too, but once again RU believe they need something different and so do what they thought was best. Like you I believe NZR are/will do exactly same, and are pretty well qualified to make decision, certainly more than me or any poster on bored. Even though it's right to all have an opinion. -
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
Yeah you know my thoughts on the NZR board,But pointless repeating it,let’s see what happens next,I might be pleasantly surprised,and to be honest I hope I am.
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Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
'The man we've been looking for': Hansen reveals his biggest All Blacks positive
Hansen was effusive in his praise for one key player.
“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.
I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.
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@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.
Horseshit
That’s not Robertson’s job
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
if this is the case, just highlights how poorly run NZR are.
Last time they had minimal applicants due to people thinking it was a done deal, this time, 10 months or so before any announcement is to be made, presumably prior to any official applications, media already painting a picture of a done deal, that may or may not have some truth to it.
Last time didnt they send out 'invitations' to eligible coaches after the RWC?
Or they are actually thinking ahead like any good business and lining up successors. They are damned whatever they do. I'm not being an apologist, just realistic that they will know way more about the candidates, the board direction for the game and the needs/wants of coaches out there.
Punters think it is simple because they hate Foster and like Razor. What if JJ was told to go away and get test experience so that he is ready? Do you give the job to someone without test experience and probably lose JJ and Brown forever? Do you tell Razor to do what JJ has done and come back next cycle?Edit: I think Tony Brown is the most important part of the equation we are missing tbh.
Ryan on forwards, Brown on backs attack.
Surely to be a successor you have to have success?
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@MiketheSnow said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.
Horseshit
That’s not Robertson’s job
Yep I think the problem is that Mounga isn't as great a 10 as many claim, great at super level, but doesn't quite have the game for test matches as yet, not Razor's fault (who's job is to coach a team to play in a loose defence comp), anymore than it was any of my coaches fault that I played a style that was suited to low level club rugby. Sometimes you can only coach players to their ability.
I am quite confident that if Razor was coaching the ABs, and Mounga played the same all the Razor crowd would blame Mounga.
We have seen it in history, does anyone remember the vitriol from a certain area of NZ when Deans didn't get AB job, when he failed with Wallabies it was because the players were no good? In Deans case he was a very good super level coach and perhaps that was all? -
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
'The man we've been looking for': Hansen reveals his biggest All Blacks positive
Hansen was effusive in his praise for one key player.
“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.
I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.
Yup many of great finds have been forced, jordie was particularly egregious. Every man and his dog was calling for him at 12, and multiple times foster said we see him as a fullback. Injury enforced start at 12 that went rather well, Nek minute Foster's claiming it was always the plan. Yeah right
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@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
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@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
Canes4life and me among others as well
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@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good. -
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good.Not bagging you mate just mentioning its been talked about on this forum by a few people for quite some time.Maybe this is a more intelligent forum that most with a lot of people with great ideas.WAIT A MINUTE what am I saying FFS its the Fern.
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@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
