Foster, Robertson etc

Winger

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.

That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.

So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.

You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.

Dan54

@Winger said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.

That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.

So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.

You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.

I kind of get that Winger, but everyone that is upset can make a difference, and you don't actually have to really go on NZR, but anyone can join a club committee, even get on provincial board (hell even I have done that) and then you have a chance of your opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum and not to try and do anything better is the very thing that wears out people who do the jobs.
Take my word for it while being on either schoolboy rugby, club committtee, JAB,, provincial rugby union board, it never failed to astound me the number of people who knew what was wrong with every part of rugby (and that included who we appointed as coaches etc), most of them couldn't put down their beers, or get of their arses to actually do ANYTHING to help make game/sport any better. Now there are some that do, but it's like voting etc if we all do a little we can make things better. Mate while doing jobs I copped shit (mostly behind back etc) for appointing a coach (the other one who stood and I voted against was a very good friend), what time games were played, club fees etc etc, funnily enough after a season of things going well you hardly ever heard you had done a good job.
Probably why I don't get into the harping that a lot seem to love , you end up wearing out the people who do the jobs at even lower levels, who actually vote these people in on NZR etc. I will add it is by no means a Kiwi thing, I am surprised the game is played at all in the world with how bad all rugby boards etc seem to be.

Winger

@Dan54 said in Foster:

opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum

Good reply. But don't underestimate the power of communication only. I try not to be too negative though

Chris

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@Winger said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.

That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.

So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.

You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.

I kind of get that Winger, but everyone that is upset can make a difference, and you don't actually have to really go on NZR, but anyone can join a club committee, even get on provincial board (hell even I have done that) and then you have a chance of your opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum and not to try and do anything better is the very thing that wears out people who do the jobs.
Take my word for it while being on either schoolboy rugby, club committtee, JAB,, provincial rugby union board, it never failed to astound me the number of people who knew what was wrong with every part of rugby (and that included who we appointed as coaches etc), most of them couldn't put down their beers, or get of their arses to actually do ANYTHING to help make game/sport any better. Now there are some that do, but it's like voting etc if we all do a little we can make things better. Mate while doing jobs I copped shit (mostly behind back etc) for appointing a coach (the other one who stood and I voted against was a very good friend), what time games were played, club fees etc etc, funnily enough after a season of things going well you hardly ever heard you had done a good job.
Probably why I don't get into the harping that a lot seem to love , you end up wearing out the people who do the jobs at even lower levels, who actually vote these people in on NZR etc. I will add it is by no means a Kiwi thing, I am surprised the game is played at all in the world with how bad all rugby boards etc seem to be.

Maybe some of us have done time playing,coaching being on boards selection committees etc and because they love the game and have put years into the game feel they have a right to moan when they feel it’s going to shit.
So don’t sit on your high horse and tell people what they should do when you have no idea what they have done ,
That just pisses me off.

dogmeat

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

@Dan54
I disagree with this. Great ideas only go so far.
The majority of successful companies and sports teams are based on charismatic, capable individuals who others follow.
Last few years have been one big massive yawn.
Need more international coaching experience ... blah blah blah

The majority of successful companies are run by Accountants. The likes of Apple with Jobs are the exception.

Most sports teams are led by a person who tosses the coin and then just gets own with the job. The description of which doesn't usually include charisma.

mariner4life

@dogmeat elite sport is dominated by analytics, "pashun" has very little to do with it

Dan54

@Chris said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@Winger said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.

That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.

So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.

You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.

I kind of get that Winger, but everyone that is upset can make a difference, and you don't actually have to really go on NZR, but anyone can join a club committee, even get on provincial board (hell even I have done that) and then you have a chance of your opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum and not to try and do anything better is the very thing that wears out people who do the jobs.
Take my word for it while being on either schoolboy rugby, club committtee, JAB,, provincial rugby union board, it never failed to astound me the number of people who knew what was wrong with every part of rugby (and that included who we appointed as coaches etc), most of them couldn't put down their beers, or get of their arses to actually do ANYTHING to help make game/sport any better. Now there are some that do, but it's like voting etc if we all do a little we can make things better. Mate while doing jobs I copped shit (mostly behind back etc) for appointing a coach (the other one who stood and I voted against was a very good friend), what time games were played, club fees etc etc, funnily enough after a season of things going well you hardly ever heard you had done a good job.
Probably why I don't get into the harping that a lot seem to love , you end up wearing out the people who do the jobs at even lower levels, who actually vote these people in on NZR etc. I will add it is by no means a Kiwi thing, I am surprised the game is played at all in the world with how bad all rugby boards etc seem to be.

Maybe some of us have done time playing,coaching being on boards selection committees etc and because they love the game and have put years into the game feel they have a right to moan when they feel it’s going to shit.
So don’t sit on your high horse and tell people what they should do when you have no idea what they have done ,
That just pisses me off.

Mate everyone has the right to an opinion, and I know a lot in here have put in time on boards , coaching etc, and I make no bones I get on high horse at times about moaning etc, but really under a an alias on a rugby forum? We all love the game (I assume) so would be nice if we saw it with some positivity sometimes.
And I not telling people what to do, giving them suggestions to how they can change things.
I admit one of reasons I reel in complaining about how things are run is because I have done the work, but don't do it anymore , but if I was upset I would try and change it by getting back into it. I have read on threads where NZR board are hopeless and should be fired. Great well who then runs the game? Thats what I mean , don't just post negatives but post alternatives. And that not aimed at you or anyone on board, but just in general.

Dan54

@dogmeat said in Foster:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

@Dan54
I disagree with this. Great ideas only go so far.
The majority of successful companies and sports teams are based on charismatic, capable individuals who others follow.
Last few years have been one big massive yawn.
Need more international coaching experience ... blah blah blah

The majority of successful companies are run by Accountants. The likes of Apple with Jobs are the exception.

Most sports teams are led by a person who tosses the coin and then just gets own with the job. The description of which doesn't usually include charisma.

Yep don't disagree, most successful sports boards are also run by people who have management/ accountancy skills mate, goes without saying the higher the board is, usually more money involved so quite often need people with an understanding of how to use it. Club I was on committee of in Australia for quite sometime, the most effective committee was when it was headed by a group that included a couple of accountants and a lawyer. I wasn't one of those esteemed gents, but they certainly kept the club on a good course, while also having the input of the rest of us plebs who were just rugby nutters, with perhaps different skills.

KiwiMurph

@Dan54 said in Foster:

I have read on threads where NZR board are hopeless and should be fired. Great well who then runs the game? Thats what I mean , don't just post negatives but post alternatives.

I think people have suggested an alternative - for example a CEO that has sports management background outside of the NZRU bubble.

Dan54

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

I have read on threads where NZR board are hopeless and should be fired. Great well who then runs the game? Thats what I mean , don't just post negatives but post alternatives.

I think people have suggested an alternative - for example a CEO that has sports management background outside of the NZRU bubble.

Yep, exactly what I agree with, someone actually having a POSITIVE suggestion. I know almost all Rugby/sports boards end up with CEO's from within the game, and it's worth pursuing maybe saying noone from within the game can be CEO? I know almost always in most sports boards of countries the CEO come through the ranks etc.. But we have to remember the CEO doesn't make decisions as such, that is almost always done by a board, made of memebers voted by the provincial unions, who are generally voted in by rugby clubs etc, But really no need for CEO to have to come from within sport, although I personally like them too, at least to have some sport admin, but that's just my opinion. And to be honest I don't know who else applied for the job.

Crazy Horse

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

I have read on threads where NZR board are hopeless and should be fired. Great well who then runs the game? Thats what I mean , don't just post negatives but post alternatives.

I think people have suggested an alternative - for example a CEO that has sports management background outside of the NZRU bubble.

You mean someone like Raelene Castle?

Dan54

@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

I have read on threads where NZR board are hopeless and should be fired. Great well who then runs the game? Thats what I mean , don't just post negatives but post alternatives.

I think people have suggested an alternative - for example a CEO that has sports management background outside of the NZRU bubble.

You mean someone like Raelene Castle?

Lol, see shows what I know , as I thought Raelene Castle was doing ok with RA.

Chris

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@Chris said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@Winger said in Foster:

@Dan54 said in Foster:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster:

International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.

That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.

So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.

You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.

I kind of get that Winger, but everyone that is upset can make a difference, and you don't actually have to really go on NZR, but anyone can join a club committee, even get on provincial board (hell even I have done that) and then you have a chance of your opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum and not to try and do anything better is the very thing that wears out people who do the jobs.
Take my word for it while being on either schoolboy rugby, club committtee, JAB,, provincial rugby union board, it never failed to astound me the number of people who knew what was wrong with every part of rugby (and that included who we appointed as coaches etc), most of them couldn't put down their beers, or get of their arses to actually do ANYTHING to help make game/sport any better. Now there are some that do, but it's like voting etc if we all do a little we can make things better. Mate while doing jobs I copped shit (mostly behind back etc) for appointing a coach (the other one who stood and I voted against was a very good friend), what time games were played, club fees etc etc, funnily enough after a season of things going well you hardly ever heard you had done a good job.
Probably why I don't get into the harping that a lot seem to love , you end up wearing out the people who do the jobs at even lower levels, who actually vote these people in on NZR etc. I will add it is by no means a Kiwi thing, I am surprised the game is played at all in the world with how bad all rugby boards etc seem to be.

Maybe some of us have done time playing,coaching being on boards selection committees etc and because they love the game and have put years into the game feel they have a right to moan when they feel it’s going to shit.
So don’t sit on your high horse and tell people what they should do when you have no idea what they have done ,
That just pisses me off.

Mate everyone has the right to an opinion, and I know a lot in here have put in time on boards , coaching etc, and I make no bones I get on high horse at times about moaning etc, but really under a an alias on a rugby forum? We all love the game (I assume) so would be nice if we saw it with some positivity sometimes.
And I not telling people what to do, giving them suggestions to how they can change things.
I admit one of reasons I reel in complaining about how things are run is because I have done the work, but don't do it anymore , but if I was upset I would try and change it by getting back into it. I have read on threads where NZR board are hopeless and should be fired. Great well who then runs the game? Thats what I mean , don't just post negatives but post alternatives. And that not aimed at you or anyone on board, but just in general.

Well for me I cannot run for a board in NZ as I am working here in Australia as a professional Cricket coach,Running and coaching a Premier Club,Working with the Qld u/17 and u/19 squads and running my own academy.
But have put a lot of effort in NZ rugby and cricket as well.
I will still post something if I see the game being run into the ground by people with no vision or thought for the greater good of the game.
If I didn't get stuck into them then it means I don't give a shit anymore, and I do care.

Crazy Horse

I can't go on a board because I am lazy, not in the least bit community minded, not charismatic, devoid of good ideas, and I have no business acumen And besides, nobody listens to me.

Thank God I am good looking.

Dan54

@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:

I can't go on a board because I am lazy, not in the least bit community minded, not charismatic, devoid of good ideas, and I have no business acumen And besides, nobody listens to me.

Thank God I am good looking.

Thank god crazy, and thank god we all gullible and lelieve you about being good looking!

nzzp

@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:

I can't go on a board because I am lazy, not in the least bit community minded, not charismatic, devoid of good ideas, and I have no business acumen And besides, nobody listens to me.

Thank God I am good looking.

you missed humble

Dan54

@Chris and fair enough mate, I not suggesting you shouldn't post never have, that was never my intention, rather suggesting way people can make a difference.
The other thing I may add, in what way is game being run into ground, NZR's first job is too look after grassroots rugby, that is all trucking along nicely considering how the game is going worldwide.

Dan54

@nzzp Geex mate, I took it he meant that anyway!

MN5

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Catogrande

@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:

I can't go on a board because I am lazy, not in the least bit community minded, not charismatic, devoid of good ideas, and I have no business acumen And besides, nobody listens to me.

Thank God I am good looking.

You forget to mention myopic too.

The Silver Fern

Foster, Robertson etc