Foster, Robertson etc
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Can't find a link to this, so just D'arcy speculating?
Lose twice or once ?
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@taniwharugby article is here (Premium)
Exclusive: Ian Foster told to resign if All Blacks lose in South Africa
The total cost of terminating the contracts of Foster and team could be in excess of $3m.
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Another viewpoint
I have an uneasy feeling about the 2 assistants being let go. If I was the NZR I would have said no to the changes. And given Foster the 4 nations or SA tests to show improvement or he's out. But changing assistants and only giving a few tests to show improvement seems a bit amateurish.
I guess if the plan is to bring in Robertson the Ryan change would be a smart move.
OPINION: My personal view is that the removal of All Blacks assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar was the wrong move. I’m a strong advocate of harnessing team cohesion and keeping groups together. I think the coaching changes at this moment in time are not a good thing for the All Blacks. For me, it’s a poor decision to have got rid of any of the coaches, and NZR should have given them more of a chance. It’s quite strange that they have done it now and especially when there is absolutely no question Plumtree is a world-class coach with pedigree. In many cases, he may have actually been one of the kingpins within the All Blacks set-up. Instead the 57-year-old coach became one of the fall guys just because the All Blacks lost a couple of matches. -
@KiwiMurph ha I just went to ZB and wasn't anything...
What a clusterfuck if that's the case!
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Can't find a link to this, so just D'arcy speculating?
The stuff article mentions he must win at least one. To me is not the wins, but the team winning as a team. If we lose both games, but play a recognisably improved game plan, I'd be much more happy then one or two wins in the back of Ardie, Jordan, and Beaudy on god mode
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@taniwharugby article is here (Premium)
Exclusive: Ian Foster told to resign if All Blacks lose in South Africa
The total cost of terminating the contracts of Foster and team could be in excess of $3m.
All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
The Herald understands the request was made by NZR chief executive Mark Robinson and general manager of professional rugby Chris Lendrum at a tense meeting at Foster's house a few days after the All Blacks had lost the series to Ireland.
At the same meeting Foster presented his plan to reshape his coaching team by axing assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar and bring in Crusaders forwards supremo Jason Ryan.
That move was approved, but Foster was then told it may not be enough to save his job and that he was being given the series against South Africa to prove whether he is the right man to carry on as head coach.
It is believed that when he was told that he should resign if performances and results don't measure up in South Africa, Foster made it clear that if Robinson wants him out, he will have to sack him.
The inability of that exchange to provide any certainty about what will happen to the All Blacks head coach has added to the sense that there is a growing disconnect between Robinson and Foster.
Foster the Team Man, if that's the case
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@taniwharugby article is here (Premium)
Exclusive: Ian Foster told to resign if All Blacks lose in South Africa
The total cost of terminating the contracts of Foster and team could be in excess of $3m.
All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
The Herald understands the request was made by NZR chief executive Mark Robinson and general manager of professional rugby Chris Lendrum at a tense meeting at Foster's house a few days after the All Blacks had lost the series to Ireland.
At the same meeting Foster presented his plan to reshape his coaching team by axing assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar and bring in Crusaders forwards supremo Jason Ryan.
That move was approved, but Foster was then told it may not be enough to save his job and that he was being given the series against South Africa to prove whether he is the right man to carry on as head coach.
It is believed that when he was told that he should resign if performances and results don't measure up in South Africa, Foster made it clear that if Robinson wants him out, he will have to sack him.
The inability of that exchange to provide any certainty about what will happen to the All Blacks head coach has added to the sense that there is a growing disconnect between Robinson and Foster.
Foster the Team Man, if that's the case
Not his fault. Why should he have to resign from a contract he signed in good faith? The fault lies with the people who put him there
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@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
(although I guess they got paid out?)
But there reputation has been trashed. Plumtree was very highly rated not that long ago
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@Winger well of course, but given what most fans foresaw with the appointment of Foster, they made thier bed, and comes with the territory?
I believe with Plumtree the feedback form players was not great
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Winger well of course, but given what most fans foresaw with the appointment of Foster, they made thier bed, and comes with the territory?
I believe with Plumtree the feedback form players was not great
Thats what the rumors are
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What an absolute Mess created by NZR.
Why dump 2 assistants then give the head Coach an ultimatum to win we don't know how many both/One Test ? in SA..
Bring in Jason Ryan who is Razor's best mate, it smacks of get rid of Foster but not sure how and when to do it.
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants yeah that is pretty shit, happy to throw Plumtree and Moar under the bus (although I guess they got paid out?)
As I have said before, I cannot believe there were no strict KPIs around performance put in last year when he re-signed, given his role is all about performance...if he didnt like them then or think he could achieve them, he wouldnt have re-signed would he!
For me, I would have had win Irish series, retain Bledisloe as non-negotiable must achieves, this tour, despite our record in SA in recent years, I think losing both in tight affairs wouldnt be the end of the world, but winning 1, probably should have been an important one...especially off the back of a lost home series.
I totally agree that NZR having no performance related non negotiable KPIs in the finest is another example of their utter incompetence. But it stick in my throat all the shit foster comes out with about doing the best for the ABs, leaving the team in a better place. He had by any measure left us at our lowest point ever, esp in pro era, yet hasn't resigned. Two faced selfish fluffybunny
Obviously Fozzie is not a big Japanese film fan
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@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants I guess, there is still time for him to turn this ship around before the RWC, however, evidence to date, he is steering at another iceberg!
I think he has already hit 4 icebergs he is a hard fucker to sink.
Made me laugh when SA coach said 'you're only two losses from getting fired'
Foster
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Tim said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Exclusive: Ian Foster told to resign if All Blacks lose in South Africa
The total cost of terminating the contracts of Foster and team could be in excess of $3m.
All Blacks head coach Ian Foster is understood to have been told by his New Zealand Rugby bosses that they expect him to resign if his side loses in South Africa or fails to show definitive improvements.
The Herald understands the request was made by NZR chief executive Mark Robinson and general manager of professional rugby Chris Lendrum at a tense meeting at Foster's house a few days after the All Blacks had lost the series to Ireland.
At the same meeting Foster presented his plan to reshape his coaching team by axing assistant coaches John Plumtree and Brad Mooar and bring in Crusaders forwards supremo Jason Ryan.
That move was approved, but Foster was then told it may not be enough to save his job and that he was being given the series against South Africa to prove whether he is the right man to carry on as head coach.
It is believed that when he was told that he should resign if performances and results don't measure up in South Africa, Foster made it clear that if Robinson wants him out, he will have to sack him.
The inability of that exchange to provide any certainty about what will happen to the All Blacks head coach has added to the sense that there is a growing disconnect between Robinson and Foster.
Expecting him to resign is not a viable plan of action. Clearly Robinson doesn't understand how employment contracts work....
Or he very much does, but thinks Foster doesn’t?
