The Current State of Rugby
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
The simple issue is no one will ever be happy with the rule however you amend and apply it
Yep. It can't be fixed 100% but I think it can be improved and be made more consistent because at the moment it's a bit of a lottery.
We have a protocol/flowchart for dangerous play, so perhaps something similar might help? Hand on top of ball is deliberate = card, Hand on bottom or end of ball and no upward movement = penalty, Hand on bottom of ball and ball goes up = knock-on.
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@mariner4life 6 again is massive in league though.
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@TeWaio said in The Current State of Rugby:
Could simplify the intercept thing even more and make any deflection of a pass by opposition totally fine, regardless of intent. Want to avoid deliberate knock downs etc? Throw better passes the opposition can't reach. Same as basketball/netball.
Yep TW the trouble is in Netball and basketball it not illegal to throw the ball forward, don't forget it meant to be a penalty if you throw ball forward in rugby, the whole tenet of rugby is that the ball has to be passed backwards.
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Reduced tackle height revealed for 1st XV rugby and club rugby - NZ Herald
The changes include a significant reduction in tackle height to below the sternum.
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@Tim given all the things refs get wrong, they're now asked to determine where the sternum is. whoever came up with this idea is a retard.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Tim given all the things refs get wrong, they're now asked to determine where the sternum is. whoever came up with this idea is a retard.
Hits to the chest and above are pretty easy to spot from looking at the tackled player reactions.
It certainly is a strange way to mitigate problems though. By preparing players in an environment of a completely different nature to the top levels.
IMO this will cement the early identification and separation of players into categories to play two very different games.
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@Tim pretty sure NH 1st 15 comp did something similar this year, was a free kick for any tackle sternum to shoulder line...I watched a few 1st games and couldnt work out what all the free kicks were for at tackle time, and based on a conversation I had with a parent, I think it depended on if it was a NH or Northland ref too, which musta sucked for the kids playing the same comp...
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I like the idea of it being FK rather than penalty. Penalty reserved for above the shoulder.
If that's the way they go, but they tend to veer to the what i consider the over-punish side of most coins these days IMO, so not confident.
But, then there is the low body position runners, how will they handle that?
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I think it will get more dangerous with cause and effect. Players will be coached to run head down at tacklers who will cop a penalty or a knee in the head if they don't target the ankles.
The cleanouts would seem the most dangerous area to me with players pinned in an exposed position.
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@ARHS said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think it will get more dangerous with cause and effect. Players will be coached to run head down at tacklers who will cop a penalty or a knee in the head if they don't target the ankles.
The cleanouts would seem the most dangerous area to me with players pinned in an exposed position.
Yeah agree. It will be interesting to see how this goes. It reminds me of trying to fix the road toll simply by lowering speed limits.
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@ARHS said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think it will get more dangerous with cause and effect. Players will be coached to run head down at tacklers who will cop a penalty or a knee in the head if they don't target the ankles.
The cleanouts would seem the most dangerous area to me with players pinned in an exposed position.
Cant see it working either, unless we are only talking about ‘open’ ‘running’ rugby, and we all know that was the problem of why Steve Thompson can remember his name.
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Brodie gets red for an inaccurate cleanout but this is only yellow?
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in The Current State of Rugby:
Brodie gets red for an inaccurate cleanout but this is only yellow?
Making a legitimate attempt to tackle, which is different from BBBR
Made an absolute hash of it based on the attacker's step
High risk, first contact head, coming from a distance
RED CARD
Disciplinary board
Full sentence regardless of whether the player adopts rescue dogs, helps out at a children's hospital, or does a lot of work for charityThat's the only way to show that there are immediate consequences and longer term consequences
Then the culture will change
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in The Current State of Rugby:
Brodie gets red for an inaccurate cleanout but this is only yellow?
I’m lost for words at this stage.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in The Current State of Rugby:
Brodie gets red for an inaccurate cleanout but this is only yellow?
Looked ugly at first, but then you realise he was only a halfback and he also threw his hands in the air immediately, so all was good again
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in The Current State of Rugby:
Brodie gets red for an inaccurate cleanout but this is only yellow?
I’m lost for words at this stage.
It's the time it took to decide that cracks me up. These laws are meant to be there to deter tacklers from making forceful head contact but the process has become all about finding reasons not to issue a red. We are seeing the same thing at the Womens RWC.
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Here's another example of the refs tying themselves in knots so as to make clear powerful and avoidable head contact a YC.
The logic here is that 'because you ran over the pedestrian with a car and not a truck, the level of danger is lower'
Surely the evidence in front of them that shows the 'victims' head flying back indicates a dangerous impact. Concussion is as much the brain moving inside the skull as it is an external hardness of impact.
