The Current State of Rugby
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@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial well it clearly isnt that simple when you get different refs ruling it differently...therefore my reasoning for taking them needing to interpret what they saw from the equation.
We are probably arguing semantics but to me the law is very simple. It just isn't applied in a simple manner.
"A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession." -
@Crucial my issue with that is the use of "intentional" and "reasonable"...both are subjective
personally i think laws should be black and white, regather?...all good...dont?...i would just have a scrum as the knock on rule but i know others think it should be punished with a penalty
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The simple issue is no one will ever be happy with the rule however you amend and apply it. Thought he could get the intercept and hence think a penalty is ridiculous for a failed catch, versus clearly deliberate act preventing a certain try only results in a free kick...
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I know we can get frustrated with laws that are not seemingly black and white and the way they are interpreted, but personally I actually find it one of the things I have always loved about game, ball knocked on, play advantage, same as penalty etc. I don't get too upset if different refs have a bit different ways of looking at it, as long as they consistent during the game as they ref it.
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
It's a scrum
We need that guy
I'm on the lineout spot. But if you move me it will injure me further
No chance a ref can police
If he's not available scrum is a free kick to opposition, second time it happens penalty
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
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@ARHS said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Gerhard Van der Heever on the bench. For crying out loud. How sterile. How fake. What has the game become. Do the ends just justify the means for everyone now?
Yeah he has only lived in Japan for six years. What gives there?
Couldn't give a fiddlers how long he lived there. I live in Spain. Im not fucking Spanish.
But you’re an amateur Spaniard
Id be their starting 10 judging by the standard.
“It’s always been my dream to play for Spain”
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@ARHS said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Gerhard Van der Heever on the bench. For crying out loud. How sterile. How fake. What has the game become. Do the ends just justify the means for everyone now?
Yeah he has only lived in Japan for six years. What gives there?
Couldn't give a fiddlers how long he lived there. I live in Spain. Im not fucking Spanish.
But you’re an amateur Spaniard
Id be their starting 10 judging by the standard.
“It’s always been my dream to play for Spain”
"Soy tan español como las tapas y el rioja"
Slightly OT, but couldn't help thinking of Brad Shields and @Steve....
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@TeWaio I watch a lot of NRL. An overlap gets blown by the defender slapping the ball? Everyone shrugs and moves on. It's a dumb ass interpretation brought about because scoring in rugby is hard enough apparently. And rugby players are shithouse at basics like draw and pass.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
The simple issue is no one will ever be happy with the rule however you amend and apply it
Yep. It can't be fixed 100% but I think it can be improved and be made more consistent because at the moment it's a bit of a lottery.
We have a protocol/flowchart for dangerous play, so perhaps something similar might help? Hand on top of ball is deliberate = card, Hand on bottom or end of ball and no upward movement = penalty, Hand on bottom of ball and ball goes up = knock-on.
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@mariner4life 6 again is massive in league though.
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@TeWaio said in The Current State of Rugby:
Could simplify the intercept thing even more and make any deflection of a pass by opposition totally fine, regardless of intent. Want to avoid deliberate knock downs etc? Throw better passes the opposition can't reach. Same as basketball/netball.
Yep TW the trouble is in Netball and basketball it not illegal to throw the ball forward, don't forget it meant to be a penalty if you throw ball forward in rugby, the whole tenet of rugby is that the ball has to be passed backwards.
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Reduced tackle height revealed for 1st XV rugby and club rugby - NZ Herald
The changes include a significant reduction in tackle height to below the sternum.
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@Tim given all the things refs get wrong, they're now asked to determine where the sternum is. whoever came up with this idea is a retard.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Tim given all the things refs get wrong, they're now asked to determine where the sternum is. whoever came up with this idea is a retard.
Hits to the chest and above are pretty easy to spot from looking at the tackled player reactions.
It certainly is a strange way to mitigate problems though. By preparing players in an environment of a completely different nature to the top levels.
IMO this will cement the early identification and separation of players into categories to play two very different games.
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@Tim pretty sure NH 1st 15 comp did something similar this year, was a free kick for any tackle sternum to shoulder line...I watched a few 1st games and couldnt work out what all the free kicks were for at tackle time, and based on a conversation I had with a parent, I think it depended on if it was a NH or Northland ref too, which musta sucked for the kids playing the same comp...
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I like the idea of it being FK rather than penalty. Penalty reserved for above the shoulder.
If that's the way they go, but they tend to veer to the what i consider the over-punish side of most coins these days IMO, so not confident.
But, then there is the low body position runners, how will they handle that?
