All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout Yeah fair enough.
I didn't think any of Angus, LF, Porter or Aki was a red but just laughed when Barnes downgraded it to a yellow. How can they do it with a straight face after the week before. Not once on any forum, in any media, tv, online or otherwise did I hear the word "absorption tackle" in the lead up to this week. But hey ho, out comes the phrase when its Porters turn for a red. Cipriani got a red for the something similar in the Heineken cup.
As an aside I thought Ofa was a penalty try the week before. I think the refs are getting big stuff wrong too often.
Edited just to add.....Barnes actually says to TMO while talking to him "there is no mitigation". So that in itself is indicative of the fact that it couldn't be downgraded from red to yellow. Yet he still did it anyway. Bizarre.
It wasn't just the card on the field. The Judiciary confirmed the decision was correct and gave AT 3 weeks.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Marshall was saying on that Irish podcast that the NZR can’t afford to pay out all the contracts of the coaching staff. I guess the answer to that is can they afford not to??
Is that the actual situation or pure conjecture?
If I was Silverlake watching my prize asset circling the bowl, I'd be ponying up an extraordinary cash payment to cover that cost. If that's true....
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My two cents from being at the game live last night.
Firstly, big congrats to Ireland. Worthy winners and completely outplayed us in all facets.
From an All Blacks perspective, two players really stood out for me and they were Ardie and Jordan.
Jason Pine summed Ardie up perfectly this morning, he’s herculean in the way he goes about his work, he just never fucking stops and was the only forward that consistently tried to get us moving last night. Everyone else, apart from one A Ioane bust and the odd Rettalick surge, were largely ineffective from where I was sitting. Is it time to give him the captaincy and move him to his best position of 7? I certainly think so. Cane looks cooked.
The other player that looked class every time he went near the ball was Will Jordan. Get him to fullback so he can get his hands on the ball more. That finish in the second half was a thing of absolute beauty, Christian Cullen mark 2.
Big black marks for me were Codie Taylor, he’s completely ineffective at this level. Whitelock tried hard but he’s really showing his age and just doesn’t have the grunt that he used to. Sam Cane was just disappointing, and being pulled really sums up his game atm, is it time to move on? Smith and Beauden looked like they had just begun their careers, absolutely no innovation from that pair last night, bloody disappointing. Is it time for Mo’unga to take the reigns? I think so.
And the irony, oh the irony of there being no one in NZ to get us over the bloody gain line. Havili definitely wasn’t the answer last night. Is it Jordie Barrett, I don’t know because he was very average aswell.
To sum things up, apart from Ardie and Jordan we were shite. Where do we go from here? F knows, but doing the same shit and expecting different results isn’t really working for us right now.
Anyway, enjoy the win Ireland. Well bloody deserved.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
My two cents from being at the game live last night.
Firstly, big congrats to Ireland. Worthy winners and completely outplayed us in all facets.
From an All Blacks perspective, two players really stood out for me and they were Ardie and Jordan.
Jason Pine summed Ardie up perfectly this morning, he’s herculean in the way he goes about his work, he just never fucking stops and was the only forward that consistently tried to get us moving last night. Everyone else, apart from one A Ioane bust and the odd Rettalick surge, were largely ineffective from where I was sitting. Is it time to give him the captaincy and move him to his best position of 7? I certainly think so. Cane looks cooked.
The other player that looked class every time he went near the ball was Will Jordan. Get him to fullback so he can get his hands on the ball more. That finish in the second half was a thing of absolute beauty, Christian Cullen mark 2.
Big black marks for me were Codie Taylor, he’s completely ineffective at this level. Whitelock tried hard but he’s really showing his age and just doesn’t have the grunt that he used to. Sam Cane was just disappointing, and being pulled really sums up his game atm, is it time to move on? Smith and Beauden looked like they had just begun their careers, absolutely no innovation from that pair last night, bloody disappointing. Is it time for Mo’unga to take the reigns? I think so.
And the irony, oh the irony of there being no one in NZ to get us over the bloody gain line. Havili definitely wasn’t the answer last night. Is it Jordie Barrett, I don’t know because he was very average aswell.
To sum things up, apart from Ardie and Jordan we were shite. Where do we go from here? F knows, but doing the same shit and expecting different results isn’t really working for us right now.
Anyway, enjoy the win Ireland. Well bloody deserved.
More questions than answers right now
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I miss radio sport even more today 😭
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The lack of a red card in that collision was great. I don’t even like it was yellow.
Not sure I agree. Imagine for a second you’re watching that happen to your son or partner. You’d feel absolutely sick, not just about the immediate injury but potential long term effects. There’s an element of chance in this for sure but you have to make it worth players’ while to put the effort in to change their technique.
I think each was a clear yellow, but the committee reaffirmed with Ta’avao’s ban that red is the correct sanction, so these two must surely have met the same threshold as they resulted in actually injuries.
I’ve watched rugby all my life and my rugby thought process isn’t like that.
If it is foul and intentional, send them. The red last week and this collision were neither of those.
Site and sort after game for those ones. Don’t ruin the game because of a genuine accident
Yeah, I just mentioned this in one of our half a million other threads. I don't know how in both incidents they concluded it was foul play.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The lack of a red card in that collision was great. I don’t even like it was yellow.
Not sure I agree. Imagine for a second you’re watching that happen to your son or partner. You’d feel absolutely sick, not just about the immediate injury but potential long term effects. There’s an element of chance in this for sure but you have to make it worth players’ while to put the effort in to change their technique.
I think each was a clear yellow, but the committee reaffirmed with Ta’avao’s ban that red is the correct sanction, so these two must surely have met the same threshold as they resulted in actually injuries.
I’ve watched rugby all my life and my rugby thought process isn’t like that.
If it is foul and intentional, send them. The red last week and this collision were neither of those.
Site and sort after game for those ones. Don’t ruin the game because of a genuine accident
Yeah, I just mentioned this in one of our half a million other threads. I don't know how in both incidents they concluded it was foul play.
It's a physical game. Accidents happen. Not every collision is the result of foul play. But apparently WR believe that it is. No its not....
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Outstanding stuff. Great to see J&Ms chicken is still the go to on a night out on Courtney Place. Also surprisingly delicious heated up the next day.
How hammered does Peter O’Mahoney look ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Outstanding stuff. Great to see J&Ms chicken is still the go to on a night out on Courtney Place. Also surprisingly delicious heated up the next day.
How hammered does Peter O’Mahoney look ?
He deserves it
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Outstanding stuff. Great to see J&Ms chicken is still the go to on a night out on Courtney Place. Also surprisingly delicious heated up the next day.
How hammered does Peter O’Mahoney look ?
He had 100 years worth of piss to drink
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Mrs Meldrew has just removed all throwable objects from the lounge.
There’s still the TV….
Thank fuck we don't have a piano or swimming pool.
Has she put a fresh pack of razor blades in the bathroom?
I don't shave.....
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Luigi said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Great game to watch. NZ response at the beginning of the 2nd half was classically ominous, but Ireland have played the ABs often enough recently to withstand. Tadgh Beirne was huuuuuuge.
All Black losses bring them all out of the woodwork ...
Paging @Thomond78...
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well that was quite something. Fucking great game. I couldn't watch live, and everything my mates had sent me, i was expecting it to be awful. But it wasn't, the ABs were pretty good, Ireland were just better.
Well done Ireland, what a performance, not just last night, but over the past few weeks. Their tour started so poorly, with those two losses, but they regrouped and just smashed us.
And you know what? I fucking love watching them play. Their short passing attack is beautiful. They get the ball in the hands of their most dangerous players as often as they can. They absolutely smash rucks. They are quick, hard and accurate in the tackle. And their set piece is fucking good.
Also, they are organised, so everyone knows not only their job, but also what everyone else is going to do so they know where to be. And they use depth to their advantage!! Fuck they don't half smash on to the ball.
Deserved series winners, good on them, fucking enjoy the shit out of it, especially the veterans.
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@mariner4life Agreed, the big question is what are the Irish doing that we aren't. Clearly the coaching team are very switched on and they have 100% buy in from their players.
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Wonder if anyone noticed who had the better points for and against this series? Or for all matches on this tour? ..........................................................................................................................ok, thought not. I guess it reinforces that this Irish team learned from it's mistakes and acclimatised to local conditions, after a very mediocre start
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And so to the losers
What can you say? 2nd best again last night. For a team to do so much right at times, but come up with so little? Very disappointing.
The kick, kick, kick stuff is so bad. We get so little out of it, we just keep giving the ball back to Ireland at about half way.
The helter skelter, lets go both ways attack is useless. Hot take time, Aaron Smith is a big part of the problem. Those wide flat passes fired as early as possible very really hit a player to our advantage I think i saw at least 3 occassions where he hit a guy who was just turning around from getting back on side. that player was obviously immediately swallowed.
We play flat as fuck so there is no momentum on to the ball. But worst of all is, the helter skleter shit means eventually we run out of players to make a breakdown, and we turn it over.The backline "attack" is abismal. It's nothing more inventive than "hands" sometimes with teh centre or the 12 standing in front of the intended recipient, but not in such a position that it attracts a defender. Ireland were asked no questions all night. What in the fuck is the point in backing that 13, 11, and 14 and then not giving them an opportunity? Just wasted.
Then we make it worse by sticking Ioane on the tram tracks, and never getting him the ball?! Yet when he hits it closer up he smashes them. No, i know, lets run Savea there, where he is least effective.The defense is just terrible. Picked apart by the passing. No speed. No ability to put in dominant hits and then slow the ruck. Out wide they are all at sea. Will Jordan has no fucking idea what he is doing defensively. In? Out? Up? hold? no clue.
As or the breakdown. Fuck me dead. Accurate? no. So more numbers? also no. Maybe that's why Smith whips it out of there before thinking, because if he hesitates we'll get smoked on the counter-ruck. I lost count of missed clean out assignments today.
The whole plan is to play fast, one-off running for a few phases, and then kick, or we play that side to side shit. And hope someone breaks a tackle, or a defender makes a mistake. We won't try to create the mistake, we'll just hope it happens. And now we are giving up a heap of points as well, that will fail far more than it works.
So that is how you win every stat and yet still get pretty well beaten.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life Agreed, the big question is what are the Irish doing that we aren't. Clearly the coaching team are very switched on and they have 100% buy in from their players.
structure. we are playing without a structure in a kind of "chaos ball" to break the field open, and it's not even close to working. Not least because our 6 of our forwards can't keep up.
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