All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.
I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?
Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.
As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.
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Waking up today and thinking over the match again, as well as reading some of the comments from Foster and the players, has made me go from being angry to simply depressed. I am depressed mainly because this team is so clearly performing below their obvious abilities.
I am a little bit sick of hearing or reading people say we just don't have the cattle any more. It's right, we don't have 2005 to 2016 quality and depth that we got used to. But we do have:
- Two of the best 3 AB locks of all time, one who has played 130-odd tests and the other who has played nearly 100 tests and at one point was the World Rugby Player of the Year.
- Absolutely ridiculous depth in our loose forwards that should be the envy of practically every other team in the World.
- A 100-plus test halfback, the greatest in AB history, at various times of the last 10 years the best halfback in the world, and one of the greatest passes of all time
- Stupidly talented 10s, one of whom is a 100-test veteran and 2x World Rugby Player of the Year, while the other is 6x Super Rugby title winner.
- Absolutely ridiculous depth in our midfield that should be the envy of practically every other team in the World.
- As is usual, a multitude of back 3 options all of which are seriously potent attacking threats (and in Jordan, close to the most exciting young talent in world rugby right now).
And so what I find so depressing is that we have a coaching team that can't put together a game plan to get consistent performances out of that collection of obvious talent. Now, clearly our tight 5 is gash - hence why I haven't mentioned it - but that's most of my point: a decent coaching team would find a way to maximise the above strengths while minimising the weaknesses. Our coaching team does neither and its farking depressing
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
It's funny aye. One of the most maligned AB forwards of the last couple of years. There's hope for Bridge yet.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
It's funny aye. One of the most maligned AB forwards of the last couple of years. There's hope for Bridge yet.
Steady on.
I’ve seen people banned on here for less crazy talk than that @Crazy-Horse
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones you saying yes the rules say you can replace who you like or yes you think teams would prefer to under power thier scrum?
Well the only dedicated players are FR from what I understand. As far as I'm aware it's well beyond the officials' remit to tell coaches what position other players should be in. If it is I'm definitely becoming a ref.
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@Bones I'm genuinely curious, not being an arse (for a change)
as it always seems a loosie goes off, I assumed it was a rule whereby a forward had to leave.
The rule re Ardie not being allowed back on sucked though, even as a sub (as I assume they sent PGS on as they were not allowed to send Ardie back)
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
It's funny aye. One of the most maligned AB forwards of the last couple of years. There's hope for Bridge yet.
As a forward Bridge may well be fast enough.
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I guess Ardie is locked into 8 so they won't even try Grace or Sotutu on the bench. A shame, I like the look of both of them. Surely more upside and potential than Pita Gus Sowakula, or am I missing something? PGS is ace at lineout jumping? Cane said he was great at shifting bodies at rucks, I must have missed that. At least PGS bears a passing resemblance to Mr T.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones I'm genuinely curious, not being an arse (for a change)
as it always seems a loosie goes off, I assumed it was a rule whereby a forward had to leave.
The rule re Ardie not being allowed back on sucked though, even as a sub (as I assume they sent PGS on as they were not allowed to send Ardie back)
From what i read on rugbypass the officials fucked up the Ardie thing. It should have been Dalton that wasn’t allowed back on because he was the one that went off to allow AT on.
Don’t think there is any rule saying it has to be a loosie either. Just seems to be what everyone does. It’s stupid though. Kaino going off after SBW got red in Lions 2 was a huge mistake.
Still don’t know what the actual rules are around a front rower having to come on even if they can’t play that side of the scrum. ie. why the hell Ross came on when the scrums had to go uncontested anyway. Sounds like ABs are seeking clarification so hopefully we all find out.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.
A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
There is no shame in losing
Hard disagree. There is and should be.
This Ireland team lost to France. Could point out all the weaknesses in their side but it's been done to death.
France, who everyone reckons is favourite for the RWC? That France?
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It should have been Dalton that wasn’t allowed back on because he was the one that went off to allow AT on
That doesn't sound right. Discard the yellow that DP came on for. Pretend it didn't happen. Ardie goes off for the red and isn't replaced. Isn't it that simple?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
as it always seems a loosie goes off, I assumed it was a rule whereby a forward had to leave.
Yeah but like I said, who's the ref to say who's a forward and who's a back? That would be weird.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose. 🤡🤡🤡
Getting spicy around here.
If we lose next year, we’ll be insulting each others’ mothers.
I hope that the media gives them plenty of shit this week.
It appears that the Cockwomble Irish flanker - who finished the game with worse stats than Cane - did actually insult our skip.
I’m prepared to bet we’ll win by plenty next week.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Can't run as fast because heavier" is looking like genuine insight compared to you.
You mean it isn't a genuine revelation?
I've been had....
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
He was great, along with Sevu Reece.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.
I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?
Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.
As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.
Mo’unga for me kicks better, and is more aggressive with his kicking. If you want someone to move you around the park he is better option at 1st.
What gets me about BB is when we have advantage and he goes for the all or nothing play. Don’t get me wrong, in general play BB’s anticipation and skills at speed make him a match winner.
Both get criticism when team goes backward and they can’t bump off a set of loose forwards and run the length of the field like Dan Carter did every week.
