Hurricanes 2023
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@mikey07 said in Hurricanes 2023:
I’m stoked at this appointment over the others mentioned. On a side note good to see Jordie, Peter, Tyrell and Reuben down here at the Wainuiomata Rugby club coaching the juniors.
That is gold these fellas down at clubs coaching juniors, especially at this time of season!!
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@Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2023:
@gt12 I'm never going to criticise Chris Gibbes as a coach as he took Waikato to back-to-back NPC finals and a RS win. It will be interesting to see what he does in the future.
That's why the Canes last 3 years have been so bewildering to me, Gibbes was very highly regarded when he was appointed as forwards coach back in 2019 replacing Watt (who I recall was moved on).
And the Hurricanes have got a roster where the weaknesses upfront that hurt Boyd/Plumtree's teams & especially the front-row where they actually have better options compared to when the Canes were achieving much better results 2016-19.
Is Holland such a poor coach that his influence simply permeates throughout the whole team and stinks up the entire joint?
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@kiwi_expat since the Razor wanting Holland as an assistant rumours started I've always been curious what he sees in him. Guess we'll find out.
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Not a fan.
Good luck to the Canes regardless
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Excellent news. For a number of reasons
-He was the Canes first choice. The Canes made their decision and followed through to get a result. This is just another outcome that shows that just maybe the Canes are heading in the right direction at last.
-The Blues missed out. I had an issue with the Blues jumping in like they did. Blues should find their own options. But I hope they can find a good coach. I want to see 5 strong sides all with good coaches (will maybe not the Crusaders as it gets boring them always winning. Time for other teams to win for a few years at least)
-I'm happy to see the back of Holland and Gibbes (a similar feeling when Hammett left). They just don't quite have it with some odd selections (a lightweight forward pack) especially a 1.90 lock. And writing off good players (Lakai, Higgins and Bird for example) for whatever strange reason. Luckily the Canes have somehow signed potentially a VG team. A good or better head coach and assistant coaches could be the outright winner. Like what happened when Hammett left.
-I was sorry to see Laidlaw leave not only the Canes but also NZ back in 2015. He seemed to get the best out of players. Ok we missed out in 2015 to an in-form Highlanders squad but Barrett for example played some excellent rugby this year. We (and Barrett) just had an off game in the final. Then the decline started in 2017. But now he's back as the top dog. I just hope he can step up and lead and develop players as Wellington did last year. -
@Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:
-I'm happy to see the back of Holland and Gibbes (a similar feeling when Hammett left). They just don't quite have it with some odd selections (a lightweight forward pack) especially a 1.90 lock. And writing off good players (Lakai, Higgins and Bird for example) for whatever strange reason. Luckily the Canes have somehow signed potentially a VG team. A good or better head coach and assistant coaches could be the outright winner. Like what happened when Hammett left.
What frustrates me the most about Holland's tenure is how predictable every season is, the Hurricanes are the ultimate flat track bullies under him, you already know they will put 30+ points on each Aussie side, except the Brumbies, and then lose to all the NZ teams except the Highlanders before the season has even begun. They are so utterly predictable. In the last 2 seasons Holland has lost to the Fijian Drua, Moana Pacifica, and the Force. He has not won a single match against a McMillian coached Chiefs from 6 attempts. He has won 2 games from 8 against Leon's Blues, 1 from 6 against Razor's Crusaders. 1 win from 5 against the Brumbies. This record against the top sides is simply unacceptable given the quality of players the Hurricanes have at the moment..
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@kiwi_expat under Boyd and Plumtree it was almost the total opposite. Hopefully Laidlaw can turn the tide and get the most out the talent we have available.
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If Holland is so highly rated for his attack coaching why does it seem difficult to find anything out there from players or other coaches mentioning his influence on them?
The only piece I've ever seen complimenting his coaching (from O'Gara) which is slightly bias as he played with & under him at Munster.
https://punditarena.com/rugby/eoin-harte/ronan-ogara-coach-outstanding-job-munster/
My count of people who rate Holland highly - O'Gara, Razor, Avan Lee, Boyd - who sought him out in 2015.
Surely there must be some people on here with Canes inside sources, why have we never heard top players under him incl. AB's like Savea, Laumape, Jane, Marshall, Barrett's etc.. talk about Holland's backline coaching, even briefly.
Do these players consider him among the best attack coaches they've had? I can't seem to find anything out there.
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@Tim said in Hurricanes 2023:
According to James Parsons, the Hurricanes lead the attacking stats this season.
Yeah I heard him say that on Aotearoa rugby pod. He did say it was the stats from last week so there is a chance it changed over the weekend
1st in defenders beaten
1st in clean breaks
1st in turnovers
1st in converting possession inside the opposition 22 into triesImpressive
The problems are elsewhere
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@Duluth set piece, particularly lineouts of late have been a big issue and I feel like we've comprehensively lost that kicking battle in the wet over the last couple of weeks aswell.
Getting Love back and starting Cameron at 10 will help alleviate some of that territory pressure and it will also hopefully free up Roigard who's had a pretty ordinary first five outside him recently, which has restricted him somewhat.
The biggest issue though is selection against those bigger packs. It's proven that James Blackwell isn't big enough to compete when the going gets tough and it's really hurting us. The fact we also have two lighter loose forwards in Kirifi and Ardie starting at the same time really doesn't help but Holland isn't exactly going to change things now.
I know it was only Moana Pasifika but the Canes looked best when we had two bigger locks (Bird / Walker-Leawere) and then had a bigger 7 in Lakai. We seemed to have a lot more go forward and our backs were able to thrive off the back of that momentum.
There's no better opportunity to show improvement in those areas against the set piece kings this weekend.
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Julian Savea has played his last game as a Hurricane. He's out for the remainder of the season and will remain the joint top Super Rugby try scorer with Israel Folau assuming he doesn't play Super Rugby again.
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@Canes4life Geez, that's a sad way to go out (with injury). No proper sent-off. We don't know whether this weekend's game will be the last Hurricanes home game, but I assume they'll do something for him to say goodbye to the fans, as they probably will do for Dane Coles.
Are you going to the game on Saturday?
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@Stargazer yeah I do feel for him not getting a proper send-off but hopefully they do something special for him and Coles at the Tin on Saturday. They usually announce other departing players in that last game so we might see more names pop up. I'm assuming guys like Prinsep could be on that list.
Unfortunately, due to daughter commitments I can't attend but will be watching at home for sure. Hopefully the Canes can turn it on for both of those legends of the club.