Waratahs vs Hurricanes
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@canefan said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@canefan you could say that but you could also say it’s been a mature second half from the Canes. Once we got the correct front row on we dominated.
What’s this w@nk fest with Julian Savea in Aus lol, he’s a shadow of his former self.
I'll give it to Holland that the early front row subs was crucial
Pretty damning for Lomax.
Nice one canes!
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@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Steven-Harris said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph ..I personally don’t think it’s a simple as that ,lomax suddenly doesn’t become a bad scrummager ..he’s been their mainstay on the right hand side for the last couple of seasons
I swear it’s Blackwell. Every time he comes back in we go backwards.
Yep but funnily enough he was still there when Franks came on. I couldn't work out what problem is, Lomax seemed to just not be there for some reason, and he's usually not bad at all.
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Well I have woken up surprised, went to bed at half time so surprised to see the Canes came out on top. Credit to the team and the Tahs clearly needed a lot more points in the first half. Just goes to show how important a solid scrum is and something I am sure the Canes will work on before the finals.
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Couldn't believe how bad our front row was in the first half, we tended to let their front row get under ours, giving them a ton of scrum penalties allowing the Waratahs to completely dominate us in possession/territory... when Franks & Coles came on they added that much needed steel to the front row which gave us a good platform & a lot more possession to get back into the match, also our composure played a big part too in winning it.
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@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Couldn't believe how bad our front row was in the first half, we tended to let their front row get under ours, giving them a ton of scrum penalties allowing the Waratahs to completely dominate us in possession/territory... when Franks & Coles came on they added that much needed steel to the front row which gave us a good platform & a lot more possession to get back into the match, also our composure played a big part too in winning it.
I think it was purely Angus Bell just giving Lomax the work over. He’s arguably the best up and coming loose-head in world rugby, but you’d expect Lomax to do better. It’s strange though because Lomax has been solid for most of the year but I guess he just couldn’t handle him on the night.
What we do from here is the big question because you don’t want Lomax to lose all his confidence. I reckon the best thing to do is chuck him back in against the Rebels next week and let him make up for it.
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@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Couldn't believe how bad our front row was in the first half, we tended to let their front row get under ours, giving them a ton of scrum penalties allowing the Waratahs to completely dominate us in possession/territory... when Franks & Coles came on they added that much needed steel to the front row which gave us a good platform & a lot more possession to get back into the match, also our composure played a big part too in winning it.
I think it was purely Angus Bell just giving Lomax the work over. He’s arguably the best up and coming loose-head in world rugby, but you’d expect Lomax to do better. It’s strange though because Lomax has been solid for most of the year but I guess he just couldn’t handle him on the night.
What we do from here is the big question because you don’t want Lomax to lose all his confidence. I reckon the best thing to do is chuck him back in against the Rebels next week and let him make up for it.
Yeah, was very surprised Lomax was so poor at scrum time, maybe it was an one-off shocker ? ...good point you don't want him losing his confidence, so might be a good idea that him & Franks start in the front row in the next one.
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Can Franks play well on both sides of the scrum ?
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@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Can Franks play well on both sides of the scrum ?
Yep, Franks can play both sides, only trouble is Owen Franks plays one side and Ben Franks the other!!
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@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Couldn't believe how bad our front row was in the first half, we tended to let their front row get under ours, giving them a ton of scrum penalties allowing the Waratahs to completely dominate us in possession/territory... when Franks & Coles came on they added that much needed steel to the front row which gave us a good platform & a lot more possession to get back into the match, also our composure played a big part too in winning it.
I think it was purely Angus Bell just giving Lomax the work over. He’s arguably the best up and coming loose-head in world rugby, but you’d expect Lomax to do better. It’s strange though because Lomax has been solid for most of the year but I guess he just couldn’t handle him on the night.
What we do from here is the big question because you don’t want Lomax to lose all his confidence. I reckon the best thing to do is chuck him back in against the Rebels next week and let him make up for it.
Yeah, was very surprised Lomax was so poor at scrum time, maybe it was an one-off shocker ? ...good point you don't want him losing his confidence, so might be a good idea that him & Franks start in the front row in the next one.
Was it actually just Lomax, or was it the fact that Numia was getting sheared off on other side and taking Aumua with him, leaving Lomax alone?
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@Dan54 said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Couldn't believe how bad our front row was in the first half, we tended to let their front row get under ours, giving them a ton of scrum penalties allowing the Waratahs to completely dominate us in possession/territory... when Franks & Coles came on they added that much needed steel to the front row which gave us a good platform & a lot more possession to get back into the match, also our composure played a big part too in winning it.
I think it was purely Angus Bell just giving Lomax the work over. He’s arguably the best up and coming loose-head in world rugby, but you’d expect Lomax to do better. It’s strange though because Lomax has been solid for most of the year but I guess he just couldn’t handle him on the night.
What we do from here is the big question because you don’t want Lomax to lose all his confidence. I reckon the best thing to do is chuck him back in against the Rebels next week and let him make up for it.
Yeah, was very surprised Lomax was so poor at scrum time, maybe it was an one-off shocker ? ...good point you don't want him losing his confidence, so might be a good idea that him & Franks start in the front row in the next one.
Was it actually just Lomax, or was it the fact that Numia was getting sheared off on other side and taking Aumua with him, leaving Lomax alone?
Yeah, I tend to think it was the entire front row to be fair not just Lomax.
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The Canes have had the same scrum coach for 10 or so years in Dan Cron, maybe it’s time to move on.
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@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
The Canes have had the same scrum coach for 10 or so years in Dan Cron, maybe it’s time to move on.
I couldn't help but think just that every time Cron was shown in the coaches box.
Numia has always struggled in the scrum against a semi-decent TH, while this game reinforced why I don't think Lomax should be in the ABs.
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@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
The Canes have had the same scrum coach for 10 or so years in Dan Cron, maybe it’s time to move on.
Have to agree, really disappointed in the growth of Fidow.
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@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Can Franks play well on both sides of the scrum ?
He has always been a tighthead I can not remember him playing LH in all his days at club rugby in CHCH through to the End of his Crusaders time.
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@Chris said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Can Franks play well on both sides of the scrum ?
He has always been a tighthead I can not remember him playing LH in all his days at club rugby in CHCH through to the End of his Crusaders time.
I think his bro can play both sides but I only recall Owen ever playing at TH.
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@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Chris said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
Can Franks play well on both sides of the scrum ?
He has always been a tighthead I can not remember him playing LH in all his days at club rugby in CHCH through to the End of his Crusaders time.
I think his bro can play both sides but I only recall Owen ever playing at TH.
Your are right Ben played both sides
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@Damo said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Derpus said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Frank because we have to play in an unwinnable comp. This shit is utterly pointless.
Not arguing the red.
Aussie teams have improved from last year. Or we have gone backwards perhaps.
Expecting the Wallabies to be improved this year and should be in red hot form after a series against the Poms
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@Dan54 said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@Steven-Harris said in Waratahs vs Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph ..I personally don’t think it’s a simple as that ,lomax suddenly doesn’t become a bad scrummager ..he’s been their mainstay on the right hand side for the last couple of seasons
I swear it’s Blackwell. Every time he comes back in we go backwards.
Yep but funnily enough he was still there when Franks came on. I couldn't work out what problem is, Lomax seemed to just not be there for some reason, and he's usually not bad at all.
I haven't seen Lomax get done like that before.
Does remind me a bit of when a young Wyatt Crockett got worked over against Italy. Sir Ted came out hard afterwards and said the ref failed to protect Crockett from underhand Italian cheating, so there might have been something along those lines going on. Particularly, because Bell was getting repeatedly pinged in the scrum vs the Crusaders.
