RWC 2023
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@shark said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@mariner4life said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@shark said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
I get why the RWC draw needs to be relatively contrived, but so far out is silly. This should be something that happens around halfway through a RWC cycle.
If it wasn't somewhat contrived we'd all be complaining about a lack of marquee pool games, and big games at small venues. When a tournament has dominant sides mixed with minnows and is often played in nations or regions where its a minority sport, contrivances and concessions have to be made in order to create the best spectacle, and yes, the most money.
I'm the complete opposite of this. I think the draw should be done late, and nearly every team should have to qualify. What better way to get T1 nations playing against and at T2 and T3 opposition.
This only increases the potential to have lop-sided pools and T1 nations playing at small grounds, surely.
If you can't get out of your pool, you didn't deserve to be in the finals.
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@shark said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@mariner4life said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@shark said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
I get why the RWC draw needs to be relatively contrived, but so far out is silly. This should be something that happens around halfway through a RWC cycle.
If it wasn't somewhat contrived we'd all be complaining about a lack of marquee pool games, and big games at small venues. When a tournament has dominant sides mixed with minnows and is often played in nations or regions where its a minority sport, contrivances and concessions have to be made in order to create the best spectacle, and yes, the most money.
I'm the complete opposite of this. I think the draw should be done late, and nearly every team should have to qualify. What better way to get T1 nations playing against and at T2 and T3 opposition.
This only increases the potential to have lop-sided pools and T1 nations playing at small grounds, surely.
good! the best world cup pool ever was when Aus, England, Wales and Fiji were all in the same pool. That was awesome.
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World Rugby and the France 2023 Organising Committee have announced that the Rugby World Cup 2023 Draw will take place in Paris at Palais Brongniart on 14 December 2020. Acknowledging the global COVID-19 impact on international rugby in 2020, with some teams not playing this year, and to be fair to all qualified teams, the Rugby World Cup Board has decided that the World Rugby rankings as of 1 January 2020 will be used to determine the five bands. This represents the fairest scenario given it was the last time that all teams were able to play. The bands as of 1 January 2020 are: Band 1: South Africa, New Zealand, England, Wales Band 2: Ireland, Australia, France, Japan Band 3: Scotland, Argentina, Fiji, Italy Band 4: Oceania 1, Europe 1, Americas 1, Asia / Pacific 1 Band 5: Africa 1, Europe 2, Americas 2, Final Qualifier Winner
Stage set for Rugby World Cup 2023 Draw | World Rugby
World Rugby and the France 2023 Organising Committee have announced that the Rugby World Cup 2023 Draw will take place in Paris at Palais Brongniart on 14 December, 2020.
I still don't know why rugby needs to do this so far in advance when you look at when FIFA finalises pools and draws.
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@Machpants said in France 2023:
Those are the ranking from the end of last year, too. I'd fucking laugh if one pool had teams ranked first, second, and third in it at the time of the tournament. It's just about possible
Which one of Scotland, Argentina, Fiji, Italy - do you think is "just about possible" to get to 3rd in the world?
Has Jaguars4Real (or whatever that nutjob's name was) come back and hijacked your account?But yeah, I kinda get the sentiment. Although... in rugby, I've never understood the wailing and gnashing of teeth around this. In reality - there's less than 8 teams truly likely to win the thing... and they would only very, very rarely drop out of the top-8 rankings. Therefore - the most important thing, avoiding 3 genuine contenders in the same pool - is almost a given. 2011 was a massive anomaly.
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@Kruse said in France 2023:
Therefore - the most important thing, avoiding 3 genuine contenders in the same pool - is almost a given. 2011 was a massive anomaly.
The Poms would like to mention (or probably forget) 2015.
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@antipodean said in France 2023:
@Kruse said in France 2023:
Therefore - the most important thing, avoiding 3 genuine contenders in the same pool - is almost a given. 2011 was a massive anomaly.
The Poms would like to mention (or probably forget) 2015.
Shit. I meant 2015.
That's it... that's the excuse... being sober Just. Doesn't. Work. To the fridge... -
So Wales, Australia & Fiji in one pool
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@Bovidae said in France 2023:
I still don't know why rugby needs to do this so far in advance when you look at when FIFA finalises pools and draws.
Because unlike the FIFA WC in the RWC the schedule dictates the venues. With limitless demand Brazil can build a stadium in the middle of the jungle for 5 fixtures with unknown teams and have them all sell out immediately. Not even close for RWC they need to know the fixtures before they set the venues and schedule. No use having Georgia vs Kenya at Stade De France and ABs vs Wales in Pau.
Official tour groups are a big revenue source and if you are teeing up to go in 2023 then you are making the call in 2021.
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@Kruse said in France 2023:
@Machpants said in France 2023:
Those are the ranking from the end of last year, too. I'd fucking laugh if one pool had teams ranked first, second, and third in it at the time of the tournament. It's just about possible
Which one of Scotland, Argentina, Fiji, Italy - do you think is "just about possible" to get to 3rd in the world?
Has Jaguars4Real (or whatever that nutjob's name was) come back and hijacked your account?But yeah, I kinda get the sentiment. Although... in rugby, I've never understood the wailing and gnashing of teeth around this. In reality - there's less than 8 teams truly likely to win the thing... and they would only very, very rarely drop out of the top-8 rankings. Therefore - the most important thing, avoiding 3 genuine contenders in the same pool - is almost a given. 2011 was a massive anomaly.
The mighty Scots of course. Those other teams suck arse.
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@MiketheSnow said in France 2023:
So Wales, Australia & Fiji in one pool
Thought you’d want to avoid Fiji? Or Samoa come to that. 🎣
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@Catogrande said in France 2023:
@MiketheSnow said in France 2023:
So Wales, Australia & Fiji in one pool
Thought you’d want to avoid Fiji? Or Samoa come to that. 🎣
Not anymore
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Draw in a couple of weeks time.
The teams in each band will be randomly drawn to determine the pools they go into, the first drawn being placed in Pool A, the second in Pool B, the third in Pool C and the fourth in Pool D. The first band to be drawn will be five, with the top four seeds the last to be drawn.
All eyes turn to Paris ahead of Rugby World Cup 2023 Draw | World Rugby
The next major milestone on the Rugby World Cup France 2023 journey will take place in Paris on Monday, 14 December, 2020 at 12:00 local time (11:00 GMT).
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@ARHS said in RWC 2023 draw:
Looks lopsided to me with France in second tier and Wales in top one. Within 12 months France may be world number 1. Wales third tier currently.
Yeah, and why these idiots shouldn't be doing it three years out.
A lot changes in a year, let alone three. Just a change of coach can drop you down the rankings in a hurry. -
The draw will take place at 12:30 pm CET today at the Palais Brongniart in Paris.
Rugby World Cup France 2023 will be contested by 20 teams, of which 12 are directly qualified by virtue of a top-three place in their respective Rugby World Cup 2019 pools. These teams will be seeded based on World Rugby Men's Rankings as of 1 January, 2020 and placed into three bands of four teams (bands one, two and three). The remaining eight teams will come through the regional qualification process and will be allocated into bands four and five based on relative strength. Except for France (Band 2) which will be drawn first as host country, all teams in each band will be randomly drawn to determine the pools they go into, the first drawn being placed in Pool A, the second in Pool B, the third in Pool C and the fourth in Pool D. The first band to be drawn will be five, with the top four seeds in band one last. The match schedule, with date, location and time of all games will be announced towards the end of February 2021.
