Hurricanes v Reds
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
would that be a NZ rceord for the most hyphenated last names?
That's Waratahs-esque
Almost.
The Highlanders used six against the Blues: Manaaki Selby-Rickit, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u, Thomas Umaga-Jensen, Liam Coombes-Fabling, Connor Garden-Bachop and Daniel Lienert-Brown.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Good backline but I still cringe when I see Prinsep on the team sheet. Hopefully Howden gets plenty of minutes off the pine.
I liked the look of Howden for Manawatu last year, and he seems like he still going alright next level up with admittedly only limited minutes so far.
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes v Reds:
I think if he gives it time PUJ & Sullivan midfield with Jordie at fullback is the best use of those 3 players.
Those 3 players definitely add the most value to the team in those positions... but when we have a knob of coach that doesn't settle on our best combos & continues to give a plodder at a lot of starts at 6 we're not going to perform at our best as a unit this year.
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Anyone else disappointed in the progress of Flanders? Absolute star in age grade but has failed to progress as far as I was hoping. Sure it may be lack of opportunities, but it is almost a chicken and egg scenario. One thing I have noticed about Flanders is his propensity to go down with cramp during the late stages of a game. Maybe he has body issues holding him back?
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@Crazy-Horse I'm convinced he's a starter in that Canes squad and only by playing can he get the experience necessary to improve. While the current coaching staff are employed, he'll have his progression and development hampered.
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@Crazy-Horse I think he's being limited by Holland and Co. When loosies come through the ranks I reckon they need to be run into the ground a few times. Get a feel of the fitness level required at this level. However, Flanders doesn't get consistent minutes so starts to lack any real impact after 40-45mins of Super rugby, then starts cramping after about 60 minutes. Right now he's an impact player and will stay that way until a coach chances their arm with him. Doesn't help that the best 7 in the squad plays at number 8 either.
I think it's a bit of an issue right now at the Canes. There are a few younger players who look to have a higher ceiling than some of the old hands but aren't being given a decent shot because the coach needs to try and produce results straight away - or limit losses. But you need a coach who's willing to suck up a few big losses (maybe like the Chiefs did the other year) but in a year or two you may be in a better position. PUJ is potentially a lot better than Proctor but at the moment Proctor is a safer player. So rather than coaching PUJ to be better he'll just keep giving Proctor the game time (though not this week). Same with TKH, Flanders etc.
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@Toddy said in Hurricanes v Reds:
I think it's a bit of an issue right now at the Canes. There are a few younger players who look to have a higher ceiling than some of the old hands but aren't being given a decent shot because the coach needs to try and produce results straight away - or limit losses. But you need a coach who's willing to suck up a few big losses (maybe like the Chiefs did the other year) but in a year or two you may be in a better position. PUJ is potentially a lot better than Proctor but at the moment Proctor is a safer player. So rather than coaching PUJ to be better he'll just keep giving Proctor the game time (though not this week). Same with TKH, Flanders etc.
It's about selecting our best team, that means starting a few of the younger blokes, along with the right older ones, do that & we will go really well straightaway... it's when a team is really rebuilding using a heap of inexperienced players is when you're going to get hammered in a few games.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Anyone else disappointed in the progress of Flanders? Absolute star in age grade but has failed to progress as far as I was hoping. Sure it may be lack of opportunities, but it is almost a chicken and egg scenario. One thing I have noticed about Flanders is his propensity to go down with cramp during the late stages of a game. Maybe he has body issues holding him back?
You realise Flanders is out for 8 weeks with a knee injury aye?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Anyone else disappointed in the progress of Flanders?
Yeah looked like he'd go far in his debut season, has since kind of drifted back to the pack. Pretty tough to get noticed when you can barely even get a game off the bench though.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Anyone else disappointed in the progress of Flanders? Absolute star in age grade but has failed to progress as far as I was hoping. Sure it may be lack of opportunities, but it is almost a chicken and egg scenario. One thing I have noticed about Flanders is his propensity to go down with cramp during the late stages of a game. Maybe he has body issues holding him back?
I think if they'd made an effort to develop him properly, he'd be an AB this year. The injury means that isn't going to happen, but it wasn't going to happen healthy either.
I'm a Chiefs fan through and through, but I think he has a higher ceiling than Jacobson and if the Canes had looked at their resources appropriately, they'd have had him at 8, Ardie at 7, and Iose (Howden or even Princep) at 6.
I hope he moves and gets opportunities.
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Prinsep out.
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Howden is starting
