How many Crusaders in your AB 23?
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@mariner4life just let Aaron or Whitelock captain the team that way Dalton has a earnest shot of wearing 7 in big test matches
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@FakatavaFuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@mariner4life just let Aaron or Whitelock captain the team that way Dalton has a earnest shot of wearing 7 in big test matches
Richie became captain at 24 didn't he? Dalton is almost 25, might as well appoint him now as it's only a matter of time..
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@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
Alex Hodgman, Samsoni Taukei'aho, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Brodie Rettalick, Sam Whitelock, Tupou Vaa'i, Dalton Papali'i, Akira Ioane (better suited at 8), Aaron Smith, Beauden Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Thomas Umaga-Jenson, Reiko Ioane, Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett.
Ethan DeGroot, Asafo Aumua, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Lord, Ardie Savea, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Anton Lienert-Brown.
Can someone (other than those that wear black and white hooped eyepatches) tell me what this fulla has done to get so much attention? I’d have the Ranga and even a currently out of form Perenara ahead of anything I’ve seen from him in super rugby.
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@ACT-Crusader ranga yes, TJ nooooo
He looked bloody good before injury, very similar to how ranga is now but more abrasive with the running game.
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@ACT-Crusader It will be a good chance to watch him closely this weekend. Without Smith in the 23 he should get plenty of minutes marking the experienced Nic White..
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@FakatavaFuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@mariner4life just let Aaron or Whitelock captain the team that way Dalton has a earnest shot of wearing 7 in big test matches
It's getting hard to know if people are just taking the Mickey now.
Aaron "after david" Smith as captain is not even a good joke. What a media storm that would set off!
And Whitelock would set up the same problem as he is getting no younger. (Assuming he takes it -- people have been known to refuse honours if they think it is at the expense of a mate.) So then you'd end up keeping an ailing Whitelock in the team rather than look like a tool that just can't pick a captain.
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@Chester-Draws said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
What a media storm that would set off!
Who really cares about the media, should have zero factoring in any selection decisions.
If the ABS can get back to winning (to the point the media think it is boring) the mostly compliant fan boy media would get back in thier boxes quick enough anyway.
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@Chester-Draws bloody people eh! Who do they think they are?
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@ploughboy said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
i thought cane got the better of paps in both blues/chiefs games
1-1 for me
Cane edged the first one with his turnovers. Papali'i edged the second. They both played well in those matches.
I don't think there is an issue with Canes form
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@ACT-Crusader said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
Can someone (other than those that wear black and white hooped eyepatches) tell me what this fulla has done to get so much attention? I’d have the Ranga and even a currently out of form Perenara ahead of anything I’ve seen from him in super rugby.
He looked like a superstar in the NPC but has been erratic in SR so far
I think when an opinion is formed on a player there's resistance to changing it. NPC form has plenty of people thinking he's an AB in waiting.. so plenty of people still have him pencilled in
Smith, Christie... daylight
I hope the 3rd halfback is not TJ
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None. When they pull on the Black Jersey they're ABs and no longer Crusaders.
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@Billy-Tell makes sense, although throughout the annals of time there's been the odd player i.e Scott Hamilton that felt just like a crusader somehow someway in a black jersey
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@taniwharugby said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
Who really cares about the media, should have zero factoring in any selection decisions.
The sponsors care. A lot.
You might not care about his personal transgressions. I certainly don't in his case. But the All Blacks captain is the public face of the team.
So would you be happy NZ Rugby potentially losing millions of dollars through such a selection?
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@Chester-Draws said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@taniwharugby said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
Who really cares about the media, should have zero factoring in any selection decisions.
The sponsors care. A lot.
You might not care about his personal transgressions. I certainly don't in his case. But the All Blacks captain is the public face of the team.
So would you be happy NZ Rugby potentially losing millions of dollars through such a selection?
Holy overreaction batman.
Best player in the world selected as captain of All Blacks, OMG!
And we've never had a player who saw a bit of scandal become an AB captain and media personality.
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@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia pretty much. Has Cane?
B/S, Papali'i is in my 23 but Sat he was off the charts good, he hasn't been that good every match.
He's been off the charts in one or two other games, but consistently high. It's not BS.
I note you declined to comment how good Cane has been.
Cane has been great for a few games running, but we were discussing Papali'i's performance in Saturdays game in comparison to his previous ones.
I'm sure you'll get some support from the Aucklanders in the morning, I'm sharpening my keyboard for the onslaught, and Papali'i has been good this year, but Saturday was another level.
Not making a lot of sense to me - he was out of this world on Saturday, but because he was so good, we should exclude all the other games where he was excellent, just because he wasn't as good. Righto.
That's not what I said at all.
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@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia pretty much. Has Cane?
B/S, Papali'i is in my 23 but Sat he was off the charts good, he hasn't been that good every match.
He's been off the charts in one or two other games, but consistently high. It's not BS.
I note you declined to comment how good Cane has been.
Cane has been great for a few games running, but we were discussing Papali'i's performance in Saturdays game in comparison to his previous ones.
I'm sure you'll get some support from the Aucklanders in the morning, I'm sharpening my keyboard for the onslaught, and Papali'i has been good this year, but Saturday was another level.
Not making a lot of sense to me - he was out of this world on Saturday, but because he was so good, we should exclude all the other games where he was excellent, just because he wasn't as good. Righto.
That's not what I said at all.
He’s just assuming and going with it. It’s the fern way
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@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Bones said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia pretty much. Has Cane?
B/S, Papali'i is in my 23 but Sat he was off the charts good, he hasn't been that good every match.
He's been off the charts in one or two other games, but consistently high. It's not BS.
I note you declined to comment how good Cane has been.
Cane has been great for a few games running, but we were discussing Papali'i's performance in Saturdays game in comparison to his previous ones.
I'm sure you'll get some support from the Aucklanders in the morning, I'm sharpening my keyboard for the onslaught, and Papali'i has been good this year, but Saturday was another level.
Not making a lot of sense to me - he was out of this world on Saturday, but because he was so good, we should exclude all the other games where he was excellent, just because he wasn't as good. Righto.
That's not what I said at all.
Go on then, what did you say?
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@gt12 said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
And we've never had a player who saw a bit of scandal become an AB captain and media personality.
Muliaina was never "All Black Captain". He was occasional on-field captain, as a reward for long service. That's a very different thing.
Aaron Smith is a very good rugby player. He is also not suited to be the public face of a very high profile team. They're different roles.
And it's not my over-reaction. I just recognise what sponsors want. And indeed, demand.
On top of that, he's in exactly the same position as Cane -- no longer a certainty to start in the RWC. So making him captain does not solve the problem, it merely repeats it. Especially since he will be replaced quite early in a lot of games regardless.
