Hurricanes vs Chiefs
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@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
His inexperience showed a few times in his decision making. In one instance he caught a hurried long kick near touch with lots of time to play. Had scattered defenders in front. If he ran angled toward support likely outcome was a ruck near halfway. Instead he tried a long pass infield which wasn’t going to achieve anything except give the opposition time to organise themselves and to make it worse the ball bounced. End result was a line out on the opposite side only 5 metres up from his catch.
He looks more a 10 to me. One that needs time in that jersey to come right. Like Perofeta did.
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching the Highlights, ENS continues to be pretty disappointing
You wouldn't have known he was playing in the 1st half. ENS needs to get involved more.
try then gave up the penalty which led to the A Savea try.
That was really poor as Gatland was calling for the ball. But nope...
With the players available I would move Narawa to the wing as he doesn't have a great kicking game.
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ENS has early DMac problems. The guy needs space and therefore goes looking for it. His skill level is such that if he works out an effective way of playing he could be very good (which is why I think he is being given the opportunity as experience is his best teacher) but I agree that it is very debatable how long he can be persevered with.
He's the type of guy that could go to France and pop up in a couple of years of a constant diet of playing as 'one that got away'. We just don't have those long seasons and every game matters. -
Bryn Gatland has been known for clutch plays in his time, and just as his team had to remain calm to close things out, a midfield scrum win saw ball his way, and he reeled off a brilliant touch finder which doubled as a 50-22 and gave the Chiefs the lineout from which they could get the W.I really dislike this rule. Unsure why it was introduced.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
His inexperience showed a few times in his decision making. In one instance he caught a hurried long kick near touch with lots of time to play. Had scattered defenders in front. If he ran angled toward support likely outcome was a ruck near halfway. Instead he tried a long pass infield which wasn’t going to achieve anything except give the opposition time to organise themselves and to make it worse the ball bounced. End result was a line out on the opposite side only 5 metres up from his catch.
He looks more a 10 to me. One that needs time in that jersey to come right. Like Perofeta did.
Yeah, he's certainly a 10 & will be a very good one, shows his inexperience at times, a bit more composure will come with more game time at this level... Love is clearly our best 10 though, has a long punt to help us exit our 22 well, also plenty of gas to run at the line, so keeps the defence guessing, they're not sure whether he's going to pass, run or kick.
Garden-Bachop doesn't have a long punt or the gas, making him a pretty average 10. -
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
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@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10... he's not helped with us having a coach that makes too many changes every week.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
He looks more a 10 to me. One that needs time in that jersey to come right. Like Perofeta did.
Agreed, he looks more like a 10 to me aswell. The best I've seen Love play was that last 15 minutes against the Blues in Dunedin, he came on and really commanded the ball from the get go and his willingness to run the ball really suits our style. Hopefully we see more of that moving forward.
It seems to be a trend in this team though, there just isn't any consistency in selection so how can a player get any momentum in their game when Holland chops and changes so much.
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@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10.
Didn't you just agree two posts before that that he needs to grow into the job?
I wouldn't say he 'has the goods'. He has potential and might be the Canes best option from a scant bag of options but he has a long way to go.
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@canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
He looks more a 10 to me. One that needs time in that jersey to come right. Like Perofeta did.
Agreed, he looks more like a 10 to me aswell. The best I've seen Love play was that last 15 minutes against the Blues in Dunedin, he came on and really commanded the ball from the get go and his willingness to run the ball really suits our style. Hopefully we see more of that moving forward.
It seems to be a trend in this team though, there just isn't any consistency in selection so how can a player get any momentum in their game when Holland chops and changes so much.
I have to wonder about the patterns Holland is playing though and whether it gives 10s the chance to play as Love did in that game.
As I described during the game and watching the backs from behind. JGB seems to have been told to hang back (not fullback back but 5 metres behind the line) and move side to side watching what is happening.
That isn't giving anyone a chance to take the game on and dictate terms. That's training field pattern stuff. -
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10.
Didn't you just agree two posts before that that he needs to grow into the job?
I wouldn't say he 'has the goods'. He has potential and might be the Canes best option from a scant bag of options but he has a long way to go.
He's a young bloke, but you can only improve by getting more game time, he clearly has all the skills as mentioned & certainly doesn't have a long way to go, you can see his composure improving in each game he plays, the bloke needs to be consistently playing at 10 though, not getting stuffed around by that pillock Holland.
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@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10.
Didn't you just agree two posts before that that he needs to grow into the job?
I wouldn't say he 'has the goods'. He has potential and might be the Canes best option from a scant bag of options but he has a long way to go.
He's a young bloke, but you can only improve by getting more game time, he clearly has all the skills as mentioned & certainly doesn't have a long way to go, you can see his composure improving in each game he plays, the bloke needs to be consistently playing at 10 though, not getting stuffed around by that pillock Holland.
That's a bit different to 'he has the goods'
Look, I don't disagree that he has potential. I have said as such for a long time and was baffled at the start of last year when Holland declared him as a wing/fullback (until needs forced his hand). I also agree that he is probably the Canes best current option.
Where I disagree is that he doesn't have a long way to go. He does need time at 10 invested in him. I can't see him maturing into say, AB level discussions for a number of seasons. He's a young guy and with the way players are fast tracked these days he has missed a lot of experience at lower levels. -
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Bryn Gatland has been known for clutch plays in his time, and just as his team had to remain calm to close things out, a midfield scrum win saw ball his way, and he reeled off a brilliant touch finder which doubled as a 50-22 and gave the Chiefs the lineout from which they could get the W.I really dislike this rule. Unsure why it was introduced.
it's tinkering to try and create space as defences are so good right now.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Bryn Gatland has been known for clutch plays in his time, and just as his team had to remain calm to close things out, a midfield scrum win saw ball his way, and he reeled off a brilliant touch finder which doubled as a 50-22 and gave the Chiefs the lineout from which they could get the W.I really dislike this rule. Unsure why it was introduced.
it's tinkering to try and create space as defences are so good right now.
Just hasn't worked the way it was intended. Teams are happy to take the risk and put the pressure on the execution by the 10. The risk of not having your wings up is greater than the risk of a 50:22
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10.
Didn't you just agree two posts before that that he needs to grow into the job?
I wouldn't say he 'has the goods'. He has potential and might be the Canes best option from a scant bag of options but he has a long way to go.
He's a young bloke, but you can only improve by getting more game time, he clearly has all the skills as mentioned & certainly doesn't have a long way to go, you can see his composure improving in each game he plays, the bloke needs to be consistently playing at 10 though, not getting stuffed around by that pillock Holland.
That's a bit different to 'he has the goods'
Look, I don't disagree that he has potential. I have said as such for a long time and was baffled at the start of last year when Holland declared him as a wing/fullback (until needs forced his hand). I also agree that he is probably the Canes best current option.
Where I disagree is that he doesn't have a long way to go. He does need time at 10 invested in him. I can't see him maturing into say, AB level discussions for a number of seasons. He's a young guy and with the way players are fast tracked these days he has missed a lot of experience at lower levels.Meant he has the goods to be a very good 10 - for Holland to say he was going to be a wing/fullback was ridiculous... he doesn't have that far to go in terms of Super level though, he needs to start at 10 for the rest of the season, that clown Holland doesn't seem to realize a player plays at his best in a position when he consistently plays in that role.
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@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10.
Didn't you just agree two posts before that that he needs to grow into the job?
I wouldn't say he 'has the goods'. He has potential and might be the Canes best option from a scant bag of options but he has a long way to go.
He's a young bloke, but you can only improve by getting more game time, he clearly has all the skills as mentioned & certainly doesn't have a long way to go, you can see his composure improving in each game he plays, the bloke needs to be consistently playing at 10 though, not getting stuffed around by that pillock Holland.
That's a bit different to 'he has the goods'
Look, I don't disagree that he has potential. I have said as such for a long time and was baffled at the start of last year when Holland declared him as a wing/fullback (until needs forced his hand). I also agree that he is probably the Canes best current option.
Where I disagree is that he doesn't have a long way to go. He does need time at 10 invested in him. I can't see him maturing into say, AB level discussions for a number of seasons. He's a young guy and with the way players are fast tracked these days he has missed a lot of experience at lower levels.Meant he has the goods to be a very good 10 - for Holland to say he was going to be a wing/fullback was ridiculous... he doesn't have that far to go in terms of Super level though, he needs to start at 10 for the rest of the season, that clown Holland doesn't seem to realize a player plays at his best in a position when he consistently plays in that role.
The kid joined from school where he played his last year, successfully, as a fullback. That's the basis he was selected on originally and maybe what they wanted (a backup for Jordie).
So I can see why he was being looked at as a 15 but as he had also been a very good 10 at school level until his last year there was an opportunity to develop him in the squad as a 10 as well.
If I was a Canes fan I'd rather see Roigard at 10 than JGB but I dont really care results wise.
My only concern is development for higher honours and I'd like to see Love given a chance to be an option in a few years time. -
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@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Bryn Gatland has been known for clutch plays in his time, and just as his team had to remain calm to close things out, a midfield scrum win saw ball his way, and he reeled off a brilliant touch finder which doubled as a 50-22 and gave the Chiefs the lineout from which they could get the W.I really dislike this rule. Unsure why it was introduced.
In this case, it wouldn't have mattered anyway as we were under penalty advantage at the time. Either way we would have ended up with the ball in your 22.
I don't like the change either though.
