2022 Black Ferns
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@stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Other than the tweet suggests, Mark Robinson didn't confirm this on the Breakdown, but said there would be further announcements over the next week or two.
Shit, they only need Shag and the whole gang is back together
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@bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Glenn Moore to remain as coach for the WC (Newshub).
Seems that these performance reviews are a mere formality.
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@antipodean said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Glenn Moore to remain as coach for the WC (Newshub).
Seems that these performance reviews are a mere formality.
The review will be released this week but it appears his reappointment wasn't a formality, and Moore even considered stepping down.
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@bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@antipodean said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Glenn Moore to remain as coach for the WC (Newshub).
Seems that these performance reviews are a mere formality.
The review will be released this week but it appears his reappointment wasn't a formality, and Moore even considered stepping down.
Looks to me (with zero knowledge of what went down) that Moore's defence was that he wasnt supported enough and his weaker areas may have poked through.
Although both Smith and Henry have great rugby knowledge they are also masters at player performance management.
The only thing that surprises me (or doesn't) is the lack of announcement of a female coach/manager in the mix or a well respected ex player. Sometimes there is a level of understanding required that goes beyond the experience of the male coaches. Understanding the needs/ways of those you are coaching is a key success factor. That Moore felt blindsided by the comments post tour shows that he didn't have his finger on the pulse. -
Finally. The official announcement.
Black Ferns bolstered by Wayne Smith appointment
One of the country’s most successful coaches, Wayne Smith, has signed on as Technical Coach with the Black Ferns through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
“He’s already gone through reviewing their recent matches and has some good insights in where the team can grow. We’ve seen some real excitement from the current management group and player leaders around what he will bring to the set up,” said Anthony.
Smith said his desire to get involved with the Black Ferns goes back to his relationship with women’s rugby stalwart at legend Laurie O’Reilly. Namesake for the trophy played between the Black Ferns and Australia, O’Reilly recruited Smith into the women’s game in the late 1980’s in Canterbury.“My want to get involved with the Black Ferns started as a tribute to Laurie who was a great mate and mentor of mine. I indicated to him before he passed away that I would help the women’s rugby in whatever way I could and now I get the chance.”
WAYNE SMITHThe Black Ferns are preparing for the Pacific Four Series, where they will play Canada, USA and Australia in June this year.
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The findings of the review were released in Auckland on Monday. It spanned more than 30 pages and offered 26 recommendations.
The reviewers said the on-tour situation was “not well managed or monitored and should have been escalated.”
The report identified key themes centring on the high performance environment, management and leadership structures, communication, health, wellbeing and culture. -
Yeah this is the article I read. Fucking what? Reads to me like the findings, recommendations, and plans are just a random selection of words.
New Zealand Herald: Live: Black Ferns cultural and environmental review findings revealed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12517118&ref=rss -
I like this one best
Create an environment that is safe and inclusive with regard to culture, gender and
sexuality (and address any gaps in these capabilities). This capability should be assessed
by credible experts;
Basically every review has this in, despite this being for a team of one specific biological gender. AFAIK a trans woman can't play for the Black Ferns.
Unless I'm getting the terminology mixed up?
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@machpants I would imagine it covers not just players but support staff too (i.e. male coaches, physios etc)
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@kiwimurph Yeah I heard reports author on radio saying more women in and around the team would improve culture but at the end of the day they had to be the most qualified people too.
It does seem a little strange that it is a playing group of young, mostly Polynesian women and the support staff are almost all old, white men.
Haven't read the report (coz Fern) but it does seem like the two groups would have practically nothing in common apart from the core footy.
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Mentioned not very often in the articles is the recommendation that players need to be able to take criticism as pro/high performance athletes. You wonder how much of it is a disconnect between the harshness of pro vs the niceness of women’s rugby. All my female rugby playing mates just love the touchy feely-ness of their teams. They’re nothing like a high performance arena, from my experience in high performance military
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@machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Mentioned not very often in the articles is the recommendation that players need to be able to take criticism as pro/high performance athletes. You wonder how much of it is a disconnect between the harshness of pro vs the niceness of women’s rugby. All my female rugby playing mates just love the touchy feely-ness of their teams. They’re nothing like a high performance arena, from my experience in high performance military
In my experience there's a near complete lack of piss taking in women's rugby - they're unbelievably supportive. I've also had to explain to some men who have obviously never been in high performance/ stress environments that someone giving you shit isn't a fluffybunny. If they're not teasing you they don't care.
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@antipodean said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Mentioned not very often in the articles is the recommendation that players need to be able to take criticism as pro/high performance athletes. You wonder how much of it is a disconnect between the harshness of pro vs the niceness of women’s rugby. All my female rugby playing mates just love the touchy feely-ness of their teams. They’re nothing like a high performance arena, from my experience in high performance military
In my experience there's a near complete lack of piss taking in women's rugby - they're unbelievably supportive. I've also had to explain to some men who have obviously never been in high performance/ stress environments that someone giving you shit isn't a fluffybunny. If they're not teasing you they don't care.
Exactly, it’s like Munster in the good old days deciding to play ‘A good heart these days is hard to find’ to the player who just got diagnosed with a heart defect, it’s craic!
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@machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Mentioned not very often in the articles is the recommendation that players need to be able to take criticism as pro/high performance athletes. You wonder how much of it is a disconnect between the harshness of pro vs the niceness of women’s rugby. All my female rugby playing mates just love the touchy feely-ness of their teams. They’re nothing like a high performance arena, from my experience in high performance military
Well, that's a bit of a no brainer then. Women's rugby has only just started on the path to pro/hp rugby and still isn't full-time pro.
@antipodean said in 2022 Black Ferns:In my experience there's a near complete lack of piss taking in women's rugby - they're unbelievably supportive. I've also had to explain to some men who have obviously never been in high performance/ stress environments that someone giving you shit isn't a fluffybunny. If they're not teasing you they don't care.
That's a male perspective. Why would it be the same for women's rugby? Women are wired differently. Also depends on what your definition of "piss taking" and "teasing" is, I guess. And who is doing the "piss taking" towards whom.
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@stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Mentioned not very often in the articles is the recommendation that players need to be able to take criticism as pro/high performance athletes. You wonder how much of it is a disconnect between the harshness of pro vs the niceness of women’s rugby. All my female rugby playing mates just love the touchy feely-ness of their teams. They’re nothing like a high performance arena, from my experience in high performance military
Well, that's a bit of a no brainer then. Women's rugby has only just started on the path to pro/hp rugby and still isn't full-time pro.
Chicken or the egg?
@antipodean said in 2022 Black Ferns:
In my experience there's a near complete lack of piss taking in women's rugby - they're unbelievably supportive. I've also had to explain to some men who have obviously never been in high performance/ stress environments that someone giving you shit isn't a fluffybunny. If they're not teasing you they don't care.
That's a male perspective. Why would it be the same for women's rugby? Women are wired differently. Also depends on what your definition of "piss taking" and "teasing" is, I guess. And who is doing the "piss taking" towards whom.
Friends/ mates ribbing each other use truth and humour, otherwise the statement wouldn't land and it wouldn't be taken in good nature. It would be a baseless or intensely personal attack intended to hurt. Doing it in this manner is a good way to bond and to critique/ criticise in a supportive environment.
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New Zealand Rugby accepts Black Ferns Cultural and Environmental review findings
