All Blacks 2022

[Victor Meldrew]

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

To take nothing away from the occasion and the drama and feeling that came from the 2011 final

I threw out my old sofa a few months ago, and the teeth marks from that game were still there...

But back to your point about the draw and health, I'd add team spirit and momentum as being just as, if not more, important. The team itself looks way more together than at the start of the season and seem to have a lot of faith in the coaching setup - hope the EOYT builds on the momentum side of things.

[booboo]

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

You and your "logic".

[booboo]

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life I agree. And given that evenness, I don’t think recent form or team performances going into the RWC is the guide we think it is. Draw and health in the squad during the campaign are probably far more important.

To take nothing away from the occasion and the drama and feeling that came from the 2011 final, and I don’t want this to come across as some arrogant kiwi talk, but a fit DC in that final and I think that game goes a bit different.

hell, Dagg doesn't hungus and passing to Nonu on the run and that game goes very differently.

The 3 years leading up to a World Cup matter far less than it's made out. Basically it has become a "get out of jail free" card for losing coaches.

The lead up to an RWC means so much to us Kiwis because when we don't win the RWC we have to prove we're the best. Must win everything to do so.

On top of that, we're always considered the best,and will be the target for all and sundry, and will sonetimes be tripped up by another team that is playing out of their skins.

As ABs we have to be the best always.

Or be vulnerable.

Kinda think I know what I meant by this post ..

[Crucial]

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

Why is it that every now and then you talk sense and force me to like a post

There's also the 'irresistible form' possibility that Wayne Smith talked about the other day. He used Milner-Skudder as an example. Came out of the blue, right place, right time. Irresistible form and was a player of the tournament.

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

[Tim]

There's a new thread for the Kahui stuff now, so please stop spamming this thread about the 2022 AB squad.

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@Tim catchy as hell title it has!

[Chester Draws]

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

No chance Foster would pick him.

He couldn't even see who the best forward in his team was, and he was in the squad.

[Victor Meldrew]

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

There's also the 'irresistible form' possibility that Wayne Smith talked about the other day. He used Milner-Skudder as an example. Came out of the blue, right place, right time. Irresistible form and was a player of the tournament.

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

Interesting one, but it depends on the player position, I guess. A Lock would be great as we seem to have good cover with SB, SW & BBBR and that would slot right in, but if a demon 12 appeared during SR, that could poss. screw building midfield combinations pre-RWC2023.

[booboo]

@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

No chance Foster would pick him.

He couldn't even see who the best forward in his team was, and he was in the squad.

Sorry. Excuse the ignorance but please exploin...

[Tim]

Are we debating philosophy in this thread now, perhaps epistemology? If a stunningly good new player came along, how we would we know whether Foster was even able to recognise that the player was new and good rather than just new and inexperienced?

[Bones]

@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

No chance Foster would pick him.

He couldn't even see who the best forward in his team was, and he was in the squad.

Sorry. Excuse the ignorance but please exploin...

It rhymes with Yamitoni Caulkeyarho.

[Victor Meldrew]

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

No chance Foster would pick him.

He couldn't even see who the best forward in his team was, and he was in the squad.

Sorry. Excuse the ignorance but please exploin...

It rhymes with Yamitoni Caulkeyarho.

Thanks. For a while I thought the reference was to Fester Ryan-Ooku.

[Crucial]

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

There's also the 'irresistible form' possibility that Wayne Smith talked about the other day. He used Milner-Skudder as an example. Came out of the blue, right place, right time. Irresistible form and was a player of the tournament.

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

Interesting one, but it depends on the player position, I guess. A Lock would be great as we seem to have good cover with SB, SW & BBBR and that would slot right in, but if a demon 12 appeared during SR, that could poss. screw building midfield combinations pre-RWC2023.

Kind of why I used lock as an example.
Too difficult to get a midfielder up to speed on the plays. The amount of homework and studying these guys have to do to entrench patterns and roles is intense and an inexperienced player has no chance.
Not saying lock is easy but you could s nd a tyro out there with simple instructions and they would be effective. Wing is obviously another possibility

[TheMojoman]

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

There's also the 'irresistible form' possibility that Wayne Smith talked about the other day. He used Milner-Skudder as an example. Came out of the blue, right place, right time. Irresistible form and was a player of the tournament.

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

Interesting one, but it depends on the player position, I guess. A Lock would be great as we seem to have good cover with SB, SW & BBBR and that would slot right in, but if a demon 12 appeared during SR, that could poss. screw building midfield combinations pre-RWC2023.

Kind of why I used lock as an example.
Too difficult to get a midfielder up to speed on the plays. The amount of homework and studying these guys have to do to entrench patterns and roles is intense and an inexperienced player has no chance.
Not saying lock is easy but you could s nd a tyro out there with simple instructions and they would be effective. Wing is obviously another possibility

Fabian Holland

[Crucial]

@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

There's also the 'irresistible form' possibility that Wayne Smith talked about the other day. He used Milner-Skudder as an example. Came out of the blue, right place, right time. Irresistible form and was a player of the tournament.

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

Interesting one, but it depends on the player position, I guess. A Lock would be great as we seem to have good cover with SB, SW & BBBR and that would slot right in, but if a demon 12 appeared during SR, that could poss. screw building midfield combinations pre-RWC2023.

Kind of why I used lock as an example.
Too difficult to get a midfielder up to speed on the plays. The amount of homework and studying these guys have to do to entrench patterns and roles is intense and an inexperienced player has no chance.
Not saying lock is easy but you could s nd a tyro out there with simple instructions and they would be effective. Wing is obviously another possibility

Fabian Holland

Good call. I will also be very interested in Lord's return. He was a little light but has good height, is very good in the lineout and seems to move bodies.
He could be spending his injury enforced break eating pies and working out.

[Crazy Horse]

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

all this chat of depth is so overrated. How many more players do we need?

Right now we have two guys who can play fullback to a decent level.
3 really good wings.
1 nailed on centre, one guy who has played well there previously
3 guys who would do a good job at 12
2 guys at 10
2 guys at 9
8 is skinny, but Sotutu appears to have the tools
2 guys at 7
2 guys at 6 and a lock who can go there too
3 locks
Props appear to have the rotation sorted
Hooker has a genuine star to start and two guys with experience behind

That's a world cup squad nailed on. They also seem to know who the best 23 is. And the squad has guys who can slot in.

Generally what people mean is "we are running out of tests for my favourite players to get a run and prove to everyone that i knew best"

If he was rotating players every week people would be on here lamenting that "we are running out of tests to build combinations!! pick and stick!"

The team is what the team is going to be. If we lose a bunch of players at the same time we'll probably be fucked. But that is the same for every other side in world rugby.

(aside: the deepest World Cup squad ever assembled also got bundled out in the quarters in that country's worst ever result. depth is overrated)

There's also the 'irresistible form' possibility that Wayne Smith talked about the other day. He used Milner-Skudder as an example. Came out of the blue, right place, right time. Irresistible form and was a player of the tournament.

I am dreaming a little here but what if a lock bulked over summer, found their sweet spot size/performance wise then performed like a demon during Super? It could happen and could change the dynamic of the team as far as ball carrying and ruck cleaning went.

Interesting one, but it depends on the player position, I guess. A Lock would be great as we seem to have good cover with SB, SW & BBBR and that would slot right in, but if a demon 12 appeared during SR, that could poss. screw building midfield combinations pre-RWC2023.

Kind of why I used lock as an example.
Too difficult to get a midfielder up to speed on the plays. The amount of homework and studying these guys have to do to entrench patterns and roles is intense and an inexperienced player has no chance.
Not saying lock is easy but you could s nd a tyro out there with simple instructions and they would be effective. Wing is obviously another possibility

Fabian Holland

Good call. I will also be very interested in Lord's return. He was a little light but has good height, is very good in the lineout and seems to move bodies.
He could be spending his injury enforced break eating pies and working out.

I thought Lord was looking significantly bigger this season.

[booboo]

Some disruption

[booboo]

@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

Some disruption

So...

• Vaa'i gets a crack?
• Perofeta to start?
• Who at 12? RTS? Back to Havili? ALB?
• Shame about Fakatava played fuck all this year