All Blacks 2022
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
For the ABs, not as a starter. Maybe as a sub?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height. -
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Yay 3 7s in the loose forwards
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@Machpants we tried that already haven't we?
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@taniwharugby Cane, A Savea and ?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Sounds like someone never followed Michael Jones’s career
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@Stargazer Dalton, I thought they ran out together last year at one point.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Sounds like someone isn't living in the past.
That’s where you learn all the good tricks like not turning fullbacks into centres, especially not in World Cup year.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.I have a recollection of him doing really well at 8 for the chiefs a few years back.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
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@ACT-Crusader It was quite a remarkable turnaround.
2007 he had 2 appearances off the bench for the ABs and got dropped. (One of those I can still recall was a 5 minute nightmare, where I finally conceded he wasn't up to going to the RWC).
2008 he played 17 tests and was a firm fixture by the end.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
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@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
Haha.
Although if he’s following the Nonu path, he needs to make 2023, get dropped for 2027 and then from 2028-2031 be an absolute gun and be a key piece for the 2031 RWC
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@ACT-Crusader also needs to move to 12...I mean what good is a superb kicking and passing game at 6?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
Haha.
Although if he’s following the Nonu path, he needs to make 2023, get dropped for 2027 and then from 2028-2031 be an absolute gun and be a key piece for the 2031 RWC
He went to the 2019 RWC, so he needs to miss 2023 to be on the Nonu path.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Sounds like someone isn't living in the past.
That’s where you learn all the good tricks like not turning fullbacks into centres, especially not in World Cup year.
Don't drop your hardest hitting tackler for a card magnet playing out of position can be added to that list.
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Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
