All Blacks 2022
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Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
Who the hells Paul Cully isn't he some writer for Sydney Morning Herald. No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
That is in no way saying none of us are entitled to opinion, everyone is. Just you asked me who were any pundits I take notice of, and then name who you think is oI should be ?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
i think until last year he'd stopped others getting more than a game or two in a row to prove themselves becuase he kept getting chances
I sit very much between the two view points, i feel he is/can be very mobile and attacking, scored a hatrick on debut at super level....but cant convert on the big stage, dont know if it is just because its against higher level opposition or there is some mental aspect, like reverse nonu who tended to get better in the black jersey
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@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
just to be clear...i was a highlanders fan in 2013....he was atrocious...but even that year played well for the AB's (from memory)
maybe frizzel will...but there are other i think need to be given as much of a chance before he gets another
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
For the ABs, not as a starter. Maybe as a sub?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height. -
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Yay 3 7s in the loose forwards
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@Machpants we tried that already haven't we?
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@taniwharugby Cane, A Savea and ?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Sounds like someone never followed Michael Jones’s career
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@Stargazer Dalton, I thought they ran out together last year at one point.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Sounds like someone isn't living in the past.
That’s where you learn all the good tricks like not turning fullbacks into centres, especially not in World Cup year.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.I have a recollection of him doing really well at 8 for the chiefs a few years back.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
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@ACT-Crusader It was quite a remarkable turnaround.
2007 he had 2 appearances off the bench for the ABs and got dropped. (One of those I can still recall was a 5 minute nightmare, where I finally conceded he wasn't up to going to the RWC).
2008 he played 17 tests and was a firm fixture by the end.
