All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
That was before he bulked up...
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
That was before he bulked up...
Is he bulky enough now ?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 too bulky
Pffft he’s no Eben Etzebeth
You mean he needs to be 3 kg heavier? Perhaps you mean Lood de Jager?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@dan54 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
So does Selby-Rickett, he built an awful lot like his father!
I wouldn’t know, I only watch modern Rugby
Yep understand that mate, I forget not everyone has been watching since before you could even get it live on tv. But Hud Rickett was just a beanpole ,no meat on him at all.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Which is a bit bizarre given Strange and Dunshea have both spent time in All Blacks camps (or were named for a camp - I think one of them might've gotten injured first?), and they can definitely afford to rotate in that position
Absolutely, but they don't really use all of their squad - they rely on Taylor, Whitelock, Barrett, Mo'unga, and Havili especially (and Goodhue when he is fit).
The only real rotation happens with the outsides.
It's almost as if developing settled combinations leads to greater team cohesion? and SR Aotearoa is a vastly different structure to previous (where the season is 3x longer, 19 rounds & you can afford to rotate the squad against weaker SA and Aust sides). SR Aotearoa is more comparable to a sprint than a marathon, hence there's less time to actively develop cohesion throughout a campaign, you need to have that synergy installed from the the get-go.
From one stuff article after Robertson's interview:
"I planned out 2023 in France. I had given, pretty much, the World Cup squad I thought it would look like and was really clear the players that you weren't sure of … and what (sic) you would grow, some depth over the next four years."
"And how many caps all those players would have by that time. You would have like a team work index, a TWI that we talk a lot about a lot, around how many players that have played together for team cohesion to perform under pressure."
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Tangentially relevant to ABs depth. Pretty spot on too
The All Blacks playing for their careers in this year's Super Rugby Pacific
If I have a wish for Super Rugby Pacific, it’s that guys grind it out game after game. I don’t want to see a good 40 minutes here or a barnstorming fortnight there. I want to see guys demand selection.
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I'll post the opensides separately (perhaps on Monday), but these are the guys that started at least one game at 6 or 8 last year. Personally, I believe Hugh Renton is one of the most underrated players - 2 turnovers a game is pretty impressive, though he's a bit of a one trick pony.
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@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Given the effectiveness of Francois Steyn's kicking game in his cameos off the bench, do you think we might see Zarn Sullivan used in the same way this season?
I think he needs to show a little bit more on attack to get into AB contention
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@duluth said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Given the effectiveness of Francois Steyn's kicking game in his cameos off the bench, do you think we might see Zarn Sullivan used in the same way this season?
I think he needs to show a little bit more on attack to get into AB contention
I agree. I like his game - decision making, excellent kicking game. It would come in handy for test football. But he looks pedestrian at times and hasn't shown that something extra in attack. He's only had one season of Super Rugby so hopefully we'll see more this year.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Jordie should be at fullback, so already provides a big boot.
Jordie has a big boot but doesn't use it that effectively (off the tee he does but not in the field of play).
Need to see more from Zarn but so far he has really shown a real ability to pin teams back / control field position with his boot. This becomes even more useful with the 50-22 rule.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Jordie should be at fullback, so already provides a big boot.
Jordie has a big boot but doesn't use it that effectively (off the tee he does but not in the field of play).
Need to see more from Zarn but so far he has really shown a real ability to pin teams back / control field position with his boot. This becomes even more useful with the 50-22 rule.
Is he asked to use it? Because he used to, and certainly could improve his execution if it was pat of the game plan - both canes and ABs
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@machpants said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Jordie should be at fullback, so already provides a big boot.
Jordie has a big boot but doesn't use it that effectively (off the tee he does but not in the field of play).
Need to see more from Zarn but so far he has really shown a real ability to pin teams back / control field position with his boot. This becomes even more useful with the 50-22 rule.
Is he asked to use it? Because he used to, and certainly could improve his execution if it was pat of the game plan - both canes and ABs
There was at least one game where Jordie came on and used his boot very effectively. Perhaps the gameplan or conditions?
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Retallick got outplayed by Blues journeyman Josh Goodhue, who is having his best season, but it's so obvious that he is done for at test level.
It's completely unheard of that a player could take two years out of NZ rugby then expect to come straight back into the ABs. It was absolute bullshit that they allowed that. Retallick was awful last year.
Whitelock is one hundred years old.
Foster and his gang of retards could use Tuipoluto up the middle, rather than out wide, but they are so stupid.
Hope Tupou Vaai develops very fast, because we are out of options.
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I thought Goodhue was quite quiet today, in comparison to last week when he was probably best on the field (1 pass, 4 runs, no metres, 9 made, 1 missed).
I don't think Retallick was great either, but he played reasonably well for an older AB coming to it. He led the locks for tackles made (11 made, none missed), and gave up one penalty but also had the nice turnover that you mentioned.
He didn't do much with the ball though ( 6 runs, 2 metres) and I can't dispute your point about his form in the last two years, but I've got some hope that he'll work his way into it.
With Lord's form today (25 metres, 7 passes, 7 runs, 2 offloads, 2 defenders beaten) and Goodhue's last week, I'm feeling like lock might not be as bad as it appeared and I'm still confident that at least one of BBBR and Whitelock will be there next year playing well enough. However, your question about who is coming next is a good one and I can't say I'm confident - with luck one of them will turn out to be AWJ like and go great guns far beyond the age that they should do (much more important for Whitelock).
Separate point, but the Canes aren't fucking helping by centennially choosing undersized locks who have no chance of ever making the Abs.
