All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Which is a bit bizarre given Strange and Dunshea have both spent time in All Blacks camps (or were named for a camp - I think one of them might've gotten injured first?), and they can definitely afford to rotate in that position
Absolutely, but they don't really use all of their squad - they rely on Taylor, Whitelock, Barrett, Mo'unga, and Havili especially (and Goodhue when he is fit).
The only real rotation happens with the outsides.
At hooker and first five, we hardly see their 2nd choice, let alone their third choice. I think that is quite different to every other team (except perhaps the Landers who probably don't have the depth).
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@dice said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Looks like Razor is intentionally overplaying the All Blacks so they're too tired for the Test season to spite the NZR for not choosing him as head coach....
Probably his job is to win SR that is why.
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@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
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@duluth said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
With Parkinson injured Selby-Rickit will get consistent SR game time. I think his style would work well at Test level.
He’s 25 now, so should be approaching his prime
I a bit of a fan of Seby-Rickett to, wonder if he capable of step up, but as you say a season of plenty of starts at super level may answer some questions.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 I am surprised that Josh Lord played that many minutes as he only played a handful of games and went off injured early against the Rebels.
I've just double checked my time calculation, just in case, and it is looking okay (I wouldn't bother, but I definitely had some questionable numbers coming out earlier on) He had 5 games, 3 in Trans- Ta$man, 2 in Aotearoa. In the Trans- Ta$man he had 80 mins, 70mins and 3 min games. In the Aotearoa comp he had an 80 min game and a 43 game. The 43 min game is the only one I haven't verified was calculated correctly, as the official SR website is a little too slow.
So I guess, while he has played few games, they like to leave him on for most of it. Probably makes some sense when you look at their other locking options given all the injuries they had towards the end of the season.
I really think Josh Lord become a proper test player after 23 WC, I a real fan of this kid, but he still is just that a kid, a couple of years will see him learn a lot.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bovidae
Let's wait for Fabian Holland (if he stays in NZ). This guy has the physical attributes to become an outstanding lock. With him and Lord, there will be at least two very good options for the post WC period.If he stays? He sounds keen to be an AB:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/126885745/meet-fabian-holland-the-teenage-dutch-lock-chasing-his-all-blacks-dream -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
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@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
So does Selby-Rickett, he built an awful lot like his father!
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@dan54 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
So does Selby-Rickett, he built an awful lot like his father!
I wouldn’t know, I only watch modern Rugby
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
That was before he bulked up...
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
That was before he bulked up...
Is he bulky enough now ?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 too bulky
Pffft he’s no Eben Etzebeth
You mean he needs to be 3 kg heavier? Perhaps you mean Lood de Jager?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@dan54 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mn5 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@nepia said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@duluth IMO looks to have way more upside than Parkinson anyway, my only problem is his past, but that doesnt seem an issue these days.
The biggest issue was he picked the wrong gender, otherwise he would have been fast tracked into the ABs.
I think both him and Parkinson have significant upside.
@Bones said that Parkinson needs to bulk up though.
So does Selby-Rickett, he built an awful lot like his father!
I wouldn’t know, I only watch modern Rugby
Yep understand that mate, I forget not everyone has been watching since before you could even get it live on tv. But Hud Rickett was just a beanpole ,no meat on him at all.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Which is a bit bizarre given Strange and Dunshea have both spent time in All Blacks camps (or were named for a camp - I think one of them might've gotten injured first?), and they can definitely afford to rotate in that position
Absolutely, but they don't really use all of their squad - they rely on Taylor, Whitelock, Barrett, Mo'unga, and Havili especially (and Goodhue when he is fit).
The only real rotation happens with the outsides.
It's almost as if developing settled combinations leads to greater team cohesion? and SR Aotearoa is a vastly different structure to previous (where the season is 3x longer, 19 rounds & you can afford to rotate the squad against weaker SA and Aust sides). SR Aotearoa is more comparable to a sprint than a marathon, hence there's less time to actively develop cohesion throughout a campaign, you need to have that synergy installed from the the get-go.
From one stuff article after Robertson's interview:
"I planned out 2023 in France. I had given, pretty much, the World Cup squad I thought it would look like and was really clear the players that you weren't sure of … and what (sic) you would grow, some depth over the next four years."
"And how many caps all those players would have by that time. You would have like a team work index, a TWI that we talk a lot about a lot, around how many players that have played together for team cohesion to perform under pressure."
