All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
Roigard will be likely Hurricanes number 1 halfback while TJ is injured. Who is TTT playing for next year and who will cover TJ injury at Canes.
TTT is at the Landers covering for Fakatava.
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@booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
On the subject of halfbacks, seems TJP has blown an ACL. Out for 9 months.
Pretty much rules him out of RWC.
Achilles not ACL as I first heard on SENZ.
But 9 months nonetheless.
I reckon a pro sportsperson could be back within 6 months with no complications.
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
So:
Squad depth:- De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
- Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
- Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
- Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
- Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
- S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
- Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
- Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
- R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
- Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
- J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
- R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
- Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
- Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan
- Thompson, Bell ??
- Wouldn’t rate IWL
- Roigard Roe
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- Stevenson
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Fact is we'd get by with a reasonable level of rugbying and make it out of pool play even losing our top XV (whoever that actually is).
Not much further ... but we do have depth
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Could we add Billy Proctor to this list ? He is highly rated by the Canes and by the Lions coaches (not by the Ferners though). Not brilliant, but sound and reliable in defensive situations. He is not going to win you a game, but he is not going to make you lose it either.
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question re depth, would anyone else prefer for our 3rd and 4th choice players in a squad to generally be younger guys coming through?
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Could go on a few threads this. We mostly hate him but a few of these points have been discussed on here by the fern, potentially he stole our material and then added his sour tone to it..
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@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
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His point kept changing and I agree a lot of it is vent but I do agree with that Foster needs to the the combo of RM and JB a good run together barring injury.
Also agree that I think in context of that match the drop goal was wrong option, although didn’t really think it added to his central point lol -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
Replace RM with the initials of probably at least half a dozen players.
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@Bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
Replace RM with the initials of probably at least half a dozen players.
Yeah I was thinking something similar as I typed.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
He has a game that is ideal for the lower level
He doesn't spend as much time at first receiver as traditional tens. At SR level other people (mostly Havili) take over this role and RM drifts slightly further behind the other backs looking for mismatches. He's lethal when he spots a fatty out of position in the defensive line. He calls for the ball and exposes them better than anyone else at the moment
So what happens against better defences? Initially it was long periods with out touching the ball. I think that has been resolved but he just can't find the same space. His running game being nullified effects the confidence of everything else and his kicking from hand goes to shit.
He wasn't helped at the start of the year by the team playing very flat. He needs to run onto the ball. That's a problem that got fixed during the SA trip.. but again the defences are better. In the England match I think he beat 8 defenders? But in general the second or third defender would get him without a genuine break happening.. in SR rugby beating 8 defenders would probably result in 4-5 tries
I wonder hows the AB's would go if every other selection remained the same and we picked the best traditional 10? That would probably be Gatland? He wouldn't do anything spectacular, but would the other backs score more tries?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
He has a game that is ideal for the lower level
He doesn't spend as much time at first receiver as traditional tens. At SR level other people (mostly Havili) take over this role and RM drifts slightly further behind the other backs looking for mismatches. He's lethal when he spots a fatty out of position in the defensive line. He calls for the ball and exposes them better than anyone else at the moment
So what happens against better defences? Initially it was long periods with out touching the ball. I think that has been resolved but he just can't find the same space. His running game being nullified effects the confidence of everything else and his kicking from hand goes to shit.
He wasn't helped at the start of the year by the team playing very flat. He needs to run onto the ball. That's a problem that got fixed during the SA trip.. but again the defences are better. In the England match I think he beat 8 defenders? But in general the second or third defender would get him without a genuine break happening.. in SR rugby beating 8 defenders would probably result in 4-5 tries
I wonder hows the AB's would go if every other selection remained the same and we picked the best traditional 10? That would probably be Gatland? He wouldn't do anything spectacular, but would the other backs score more tries?
The thought of Gatland gives me the chills while he has those silly mistakes in his game. But the way things are with RM and BB we are getting similar mistakes anyway I suppose.
Broken record time and probably a bit pointless, but I reckon NZ has missed a trick with Sullivan not getting a decent run at 10 for Auckland and the Blues. I would love to see him there just to find out if my instinct is right about him.
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And further to the RM and BB duel playmaker role I wonder if part of the problem is that they are both the same type of playmaker. They are both 'flair' players. I think about League and their best 6 and 7 combinations. They often seem to be made up of one 'flair' player and one 'steady' player.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I wonder hows the AB's would go if every other selection remained the same and we picked the best traditional 10? That would probably be Gatland? He wouldn't do anything spectacular, but would the other backs score more tries?
I think it would work ,But you would need JB at 12 and another FB not BB.
It would rely on a dominant Forward pack for Gatland to kick us around the park and a FB with a decent boot to keep us in the oppositions half as much as possible.
No real running threat at 10 with Gatland to need JB at 12. -
@Bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
Replace RM with the initials of probably at least half a dozen players.
Not the forwards (Codie still has some flaky lineout throws), Smith is ah.., 10s a shadow, midfield-no? (except I guess DH), FB is really also a 10, wings? Not sure. I'd say it is particularly the 10s..
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@nostrildamus if I can try and decipher that, I think you're saying you disagree.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
So:
Squad depth:- De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
- Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
- Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
- Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
- Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
- S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
- Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
- Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
- R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
- Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
- J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
- R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
- Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
- Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan
close man but there might be maybe 2 or 3 professional rugby players in NZ that you missed.
Joe Moody, probably first or second name on line 1!
